From bronto at pobox.com Tue Aug 3 15:41:50 2004 From: bronto at pobox.com (Anton Sherwood) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 08:41:50 -0700 Subject: [Exi-bay-announce] bounces from other regional lists Message-ID: <410FB23E.2050907@pobox.com> The moderator of exi-bay-* has been getting a lot of bounce notices from other Extropy lists; in the past few days they outnumber the normal junkmail. Some of the rejected messages appear viral. I hesitate to put exi-la-owner at lists.extropy.org mailer-daemon at lists.extropy.org postmaster at lists.extropy.org exi-midwest-bounces at lists.extropy.org exi-tex-bounces at lists.extropy.org on the permanent `discard' roster, but on the other hand see no legitimate reason for any of them to post to exi-bay-*. -- Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/ From bronto at pobox.com Thu Aug 5 04:46:45 2004 From: bronto at pobox.com (Anton Sherwood) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 21:46:45 -0700 Subject: [Exi-bay-announce] test Message-ID: <4111BBB5.2090104@pobox.com> This is a test - the bot claims I've been "disabled" for "excessive or fatal bounces". -- Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/ From mark_galeck at pacbell.net Sat Aug 21 12:59:13 2004 From: mark_galeck at pacbell.net (Mark Galeck) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 05:59:13 -0700 Subject: [Exi-bay-announce] Snorkeling in Point Lobos Message-ID: <003c01c4877e$a9d5d9d0$fdf46845@andromeda> Hi BA extropes, In the long-standing and mildly successful tradition of posting extropy-enhancing activities other than devouring sushi... (drums) Snorkeling! On September 6 Labour Day, I would like to go snorkeling to Point Lobos State Preserve. I need a one (1) partner at least, or an odd number of them - they make reservations for snorkeling for teams of two people (but I don't know how many team spots on that day are left, so each team will need to make their own reservations). We can go early so you will be back for Fireworks. We can also replenish lost calories on our way back in Dharma's Natural Foods restaurant in Capitola - it's a fabulous place with extropy-enhancing foods (no sushi) http://dharmaland.com/restaurant/index.html. I have a 7-pass van so we can carpool from South Bay. What do you need? 3 1/2 dollars for reservation per person + car share (total cost per car ~$30) Wetsuit, snorkel, fins, good googles, oops goggles, (you can rent those things at diving shops around) Competent swimming ability - the snorkeling is at most 150 yards from the shore on the reef, but we may have to swim as much as 700 yards to get there from the beach, and this is in the ocean not in a swimming pool. In short, you need to be able to swim a mile or so, without getting tired. You don't really need to have snorkeled before, if you swim well, snorkeling is easy. Let me know if you want to join, serious only, if there is more than one person, I will reflect to everybody so you can form teams. ASAP before the reservations run out. Thank you, Mark Galecki From whitaker at best.com Sat Aug 21 19:24:25 2004 From: whitaker at best.com (Russell Whitaker) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 12:24:25 -0700 Subject: [Exi-bay-announce] Snorkeling in Point Lobos In-Reply-To: <003c01c4877e$a9d5d9d0$fdf46845@andromeda> References: <003c01c4877e$a9d5d9d0$fdf46845@andromeda> Message-ID: I might be interested in such a trip, provided that: 1.) we *not* dine at a vegetarian restaraunt. A place with great steaks or burgers, or at least fantastic seafood, would be fine with me; 2.) I bring my spearfishing equipment along. I'm a competent freediver and hunter, so I'd like to combine those activities on such a trip. I have all my own equipment. Anyone else? Russell At 5:59 AM -0700 8/21/04, Mark Galeck wrote: >Hi BA extropes, > >In the long-standing and mildly successful tradition of posting >extropy-enhancing activities other than devouring sushi... (drums) >Snorkeling!?? > >On September 6 Labour Day, I would like to go snorkeling to Point Lobos >State Preserve. I need a one (1) partner at least, or an odd number of them >- they make reservations for snorkeling for teams of two people (but I don't >know how many team spots on that day are left, so each team will need to >make their own reservations). We can go early so you will be back for >Fireworks. We can also replenish lost calories on our way back in Dharma's >Natural Foods restaurant in Capitola - it's a fabulous place with >extropy-enhancing foods (no sushi) >http://dharmaland.com/restaurant/index.html. I have a 7-pass van so we can >carpool from South Bay. > >What do you need? > >3 1/2 dollars for reservation per person + car share (total cost per car >~$30) >Wetsuit, snorkel, fins, good googles, oops goggles, (you can rent those >things at diving shops around) >Competent swimming ability - the snorkeling is at most 150 yards from the >shore on the reef, but we may have to swim as much as 700 yards to get there >from the beach, and this is in the ocean not in a swimming pool. In short, >you need to be able to swim a mile or so, without getting tired. You don't >really need to have snorkeled before, if you swim well, snorkeling is easy. > > >Let me know if you want to join, serious only, if there is more than one >person, I will reflect to everybody so you can form teams. ASAP before the >reservations run out.? > > >Thank you, > >Mark Galecki > >_______________________________________________ >exi-bay-announce mailing list >exi-bay-announce at lists.extropy.org >http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo/exi-bay-announce -- Russell Whitaker http://www.survivalarts.com/ From kennita at kennita.com Sat Aug 21 19:56:04 2004 From: kennita at kennita.com (Kennita Watson) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 12:56:04 -0700 Subject: [Exi-bay-announce] Re: Snorkeling in Point Lobos In-Reply-To: <003c01c4877e$a9d5d9d0$fdf46845@andromeda> Message-ID: <228E42AA-F3AC-11D8-B2C7-000A9573E7DA@kennita.com> On Saturday, Aug 21, 2004, at 05:59 US/Pacific, Mark Galeck wrote: > Hi BA extropes, > > In the long-standing and mildly successful tradition of posting > extropy-enhancing activities other than devouring sushi... (drums) > Snorkeling! > ... > What do you need? > ... > Competent swimming ability - the snorkeling is at most 150 yards from > the > shore on the reef, but we may have to swim as much as 700 yards to get > there > from the beach, and this is in the ocean not in a swimming pool. In > short, > you need to be able to swim a mile or so, without getting tired. You > don't > really need to have snorkeled before, if you swim well, snorkeling is > easy. > Independent of how many can make it to this, how many 'tropes do we have who can swim a mile in open ocean? My hat is off to you! There is no way I could do this. But in the spirit of making sure it works out well for all concerned, I'll point out that being able to swim a mile (in a pool) wouldn't cover it. If the tide is not favorable, you could end up swimming the equvalent of much more than the 700 yards out to the snorkeling site, and if you're not careful with tide timing, it could be unfavorable both ways. Or not, if the tides are with you. Question: is the looking-at-fishes part like resting, or like continuing to swim slowly? Assuming Mark is the strongest swimmer, he can help you out: from www.mbcc.org/swim/train_tips.htm -- "Unlike racing in a pool, you can draft off faster swimmers in open water. "It makes swimming a lot easier," says [Olympic medalist Sheila] Taormina. "If you're drafting, you can use 70 percent of your energy and maybe swim five seconds faster per 100 yards without feeling like you worked at all," she says. The trick is to get behind someone of comparable speed or slightly faster and stay just behind without touching the other swimmer's toes." I found a page with some snorkeling/diving safety and performance tips: http://www.seafriends.org.nz/issues/res/gi/gidive.htm Best to you -- I suppose a camera would be out of the question? Live long and prosper, Kennita -- Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery; none but ourselves can free our minds. -- Bob Marley, "Redemption Song" From mark_galeck at pacbell.net Sat Aug 21 20:12:46 2004 From: mark_galeck at pacbell.net (Mark Galeck) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:12:46 -0700 Subject: [Exi-bay-announce] RE: [Alcor-north] Re: Snorkeling in Point Lobos In-Reply-To: <228E42AA-F3AC-11D8-B2C7-000A9573E7DA@kennita.com> Message-ID: <003e01c487bb$397f3a90$fdf46845@andromeda> >Independent of how many can make it to this, how many 'tropes do we have who can swim a mile in open ocean? My hat is off to you! Thanks Kennita, but this is not so hard. We would never be more than 150 yards from the shore, it's just swimming more or less parallel to the shore. Also, I did not say we race the Olympics record, just move. Because it's along the shore, tides are probably not a factor. But I will check them - thanks for pointing this out. >Question: is the looking-at-fishes part like resting, or like continuing to swim slowly? Depends :) on where things are and what you want to see. >Assuming Mark is the strongest swimmer, he can help you out: from No, really we are not racing here. What I want, is someone who can move a mile in the ocean, at some speed, without any help and without saying "I am tired". >Best to you -- I suppose a camera would be out of the question? No, people bring waterproof cameras to snorkeling. Cheap one-time cameras I have seen many times. Probably not a good idea to lug an expensive camera, unless it is a real diving camera, sturdy. I have never been to Point Lobos specifically, but in a lot of places, you hit stuff, like corals, all the time. I guess in Point Lobos it is mostly kelp forests, but there are some reefs for sure. From whitaker at best.com Sun Aug 22 06:35:53 2004 From: whitaker at best.com (Russell Whitaker) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 23:35:53 -0700 Subject: [Exi-bay-announce] Re: Snorkeling in Point Lobos In-Reply-To: <228E42AA-F3AC-11D8-B2C7-000A9573E7DA@kennita.com> References: <228E42AA-F3AC-11D8-B2C7-000A9573E7DA@kennita.com> Message-ID: At 12:56 PM -0700 8/21/04, Kennita Watson wrote: >On Saturday, Aug 21, 2004, at 05:59 US/Pacific, Mark Galeck wrote: > >>Hi BA extropes, >> >>In the long-standing and mildly successful tradition of posting >>extropy-enhancing activities other than devouring sushi... (drums) >>Snorkeling! >>... >>What do you need? >>... >>Competent swimming ability - the snorkeling is at most 150 yards from the >>shore on the reef, but we may have to swim as much as 700 yards to get there >>from the beach, and this is in the ocean not in a swimming pool. In short, >>you need to be able to swim a mile or so, without getting tired. You don't >>really need to have snorkeled before, if you swim well, snorkeling is easy. >> >Independent of how many can make it to this, how many 'tropes >do we have who can swim a mile in open ocean? My hat is off >to you! Properly geared up, with fins and wetsuit, and not swimming against a longshore current? I can, and have. It's no big deal. As Mark pointed out in an earlier reply, you're not swimming for speed. It also helps that with snorkeling gear, you can keep your face down in the water, not moving it to break surface during a stroke cycle. Also, you're not using your arms. It's not like "swimming" per se. The right gear helps out a lot. If I had to do the same, doing front crawl or breast stroke, I suppose I could do a mile out there... but if and only if I wore a wetsuit. It would be a bit more difficult too given the way that wetsuits distort conventional swimming dynamics. Russell >There is no way I could do this. But in the spirit of making >sure it works out well for all concerned, I'll point out that >being able to swim a mile (in a pool) wouldn't cover it. >If the tide is not favorable, you could end up swimming the >equvalent of much more than the 700 yards out to the snorkeling >site, and if you're not careful with tide timing, it could be >unfavorable both ways. Or not, if the tides are with you. > >Question: is the looking-at-fishes part like resting, or like >continuing to swim slowly? > >Assuming Mark is the strongest swimmer, he can help you out: >from www.mbcc.org/swim/train_tips.htm -- "Unlike racing in a pool, you can draft off faster swimmers in open water. "It makes swimming a lot easier," says [Olympic medalist Sheila] Taormina. "If you're drafting, you can use 70 percent of your energy and maybe swim five seconds faster per 100 yards without feeling like you worked at all," she says. The trick is to get behind someone of comparable speed or slightly faster and stay just behind without touching the other swimmer's toes." > >I found a page with some snorkeling/diving safety and performance >tips: http://www.seafriends.org.nz/issues/res/gi/gidive.htm > >Best to you -- I suppose a camera would be out of the question? > >Live long and prosper, >Kennita >-- >Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery; >none but ourselves can free our minds. > -- Bob Marley, "Redemption Song" > >_______________________________________________ >exi-bay-announce mailing list >exi-bay-announce at lists.extropy.org >http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo/exi-bay-announce -- Russell Whitaker http://www.survivalarts.com/ From mmb at xocolatl.com Sun Aug 22 20:03:56 2004 From: mmb at xocolatl.com (Michael M. Butler) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:03:56 -0700 Subject: [Exi-bay-announce] Re: [Alcor-north] Snorkeling in Point Lobos In-Reply-To: <003c01c4877e$a9d5d9d0$fdf46845@andromeda> References: <003c01c4877e$a9d5d9d0$fdf46845@andromeda> Message-ID: <665F0168-F476-11D8-9E13-003065C7FFA8@xocolatl.com> Mark, all-- Wish I could--I have a hood, booties, fins, mask, gloves, compass and snorkel; but am currently dealing with a need to move out over the next week-plus. Am also looking for possible sofa-surfing opportunities in the Bay area while I look for work and get my footing again. Down the road, I think another snorkeling thing would be a lot of fun. Best to all, MMB On 2004 Aug 21, at 05:59, Mark Galeck wrote: > Hi BA extropes, > > In the long-standing and mildly successful tradition of posting > extropy-enhancing activities other than devouring sushi... (drums) > Snorkeling! > > On September 6 Labour Day, I would like to go snorkeling to Point Lobos > State Preserve. I need a one (1) partner at least, or an odd number > of them > - they make reservations for snorkeling for teams of two people (but I > don't > know how many team spots on that day are left, so each team will need > to > make their own reservations). We can go early so you will be back for > Fireworks. We can also replenish lost calories on our way back in > Dharma's > Natural Foods restaurant in Capitola - it's a fabulous place with > extropy-enhancing foods (no sushi) > http://dharmaland.com/restaurant/index.html. I have a 7-pass van so > we can > carpool from South Bay. > > What do you need? > > 3 1/2 dollars for reservation per person + car share (total cost per > car > ~$30) > Wetsuit, snorkel, fins, good googles, oops goggles, (you can rent those > things at diving shops around) > Competent swimming ability - the snorkeling is at most 150 yards from > the > shore on the reef, but we may have to swim as much as 700 yards to get > there > from the beach, and this is in the ocean not in a swimming pool. In > short, > you need to be able to swim a mile or so, without getting tired. You > don't > really need to have snorkeled before, if you swim well, snorkeling is > easy. > > > Let me know if you want to join, serious only, if there is more than > one > person, I will reflect to everybody so you can form teams. ASAP > before the > reservations run out. > > > Thank you, > > Mark Galecki > > _______________________________________________ > Alcor-north mailing list > Alcor-north at fungible.com > http://www.fungible.com/mailman/listinfo/alcor-north >