From hvc at soundwave.net  Sat May  1 22:35:46 2004
From: hvc at soundwave.net (Helen Cook)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 15:35:46 -0700
Subject: [Exi-can] spring
Message-ID: <20040501223546.GB17553@soundwave.net>


This list doesn't seem to be very active.. wondering if I'm the only one
subscribed. :)  On the off chance that someone else is reading this, I
just wanted to share my exhuberance about the fact that it is spring,
everything is growing, and the future looks beautiful.

--h


From tudor at thudspace.net  Sat May  1 23:03:36 2004
From: tudor at thudspace.net (Tudor Oprea)
Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 16:03:36 -0700
Subject: [Exi-can] spring
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On Sat, 2004-05-01 at 15:35, Helen Cook wrote:
> This list doesn't seem to be very active.. wondering if I'm the only one
> subscribed. :)  On the off chance that someone else is reading this, I
> just wanted to share my exhuberance about the fact that it is spring,
> everything is growing, and the future looks beautiful.

<pong>

Me, I'm excited about this, in addition to spring, growth, and beauty:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3647437.stm

-Tudor



From hvc at soundwave.net  Sat May  1 23:26:20 2004
From: hvc at soundwave.net (Helen Cook)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 16:26:20 -0700
Subject: [Exi-can] spring
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Hey Tudor, surprised to find you here :)  How have you been?

On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 04:03:36PM -0700, Tudor Oprea wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3647437.stm

Yes!  I saw this a few days ago.  In the case of the car manual, the
article doesn't specify if there is any attempt to use image recognition
to align the schematics directly over the real image of the part.  For
$4k I doubt not, but regardless this is very exciting technology.  I
also wonder how seamless the interface is to use -- if it's just a
translation of a standard paper manual (requiring the user to turn
pages), or if they have done something far more clever and intuitive.

Personally, I'm really excited about being able to take photographs
practically instantly without having to pull out a camera.  Mount the
lens on the monocle and add sensors to focus where the eye is looking,
have a handheld interface to zoom, modify a best guess apperture and
shutter speed, and take the picture.  

--h


From tudor at thudspace.net  Sun May  2 00:27:48 2004
From: tudor at thudspace.net (Tudor Oprea)
Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 17:27:48 -0700
Subject: [Exi-can] spring
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On Sat, 2004-05-01 at 16:26, Helen Cook wrote:

> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3647437.stm
> 
> Yes!  I saw this a few days ago.  In the case of the car manual, the
> article doesn't specify if there is any attempt to use image recognition
> to align the schematics directly over the real image of the part.  For
> $4k I doubt not, but regardless this is very exciting technology.  I
> also wonder how seamless the interface is to use -- if it's just a
> translation of a standard paper manual (requiring the user to turn
> pages), or if they have done something far more clever and intuitive.

The former, I think.  The company's web page is at
http://www.microvision.com/nomadexpert/ , and I don't see any evidence
of capabilities other than scanned-schematic projection.

I'd be inclined to see it as a new display technology (as in, no
external-looking sensors), which can be programmed to behave in any way
one would wish.  My interest would lie in developing the heads-up
interface itself (from the article: "signals from data or an image
source, say a web page or a video camera").  I don't see any mention of
interactivity in the article, but technology currently exists that could
be used to integrate a control scheme into the package.  Canon has used
a variant of it in its higher-end EOS cameras for a while, allowing you
to select the autofocus zone by looking at the appropriate part of the
image.  I'm thinking of some sort of point-and-blink interface.

As for overlaying schematics directly onto objects in one's field of
view... I guess that's a two-stage process.  Stage 1 is image aquisition
-- and until the optic-nerve interface comes about, this would likely be
done with a laser grid projected from the eyepiece, or a digital
camera.  Stage 2 is image recognition, which is a big problem domain
which can, however, be drastically reduced if we focus only on specific
applications (engine schematics for instance).

Overall, I can't wait to be able to buy one of these things, and get my
hands on the SDK :)

-Tudor



From hkhenson at rogers.com  Sun May  2 06:43:04 2004
From: hkhenson at rogers.com (Keith Henson)
Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 02:43:04 -0400
Subject: [Exi-can] spring
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At 03:35 PM 01/05/04 -0700, you wrote:

>This list doesn't seem to be very active.. wondering if I'm the only one
>subscribed. :)  On the off chance that someone else is reading this, I
>just wanted to share my exhuberance about the fact that it is spring,
>everything is growing, and the future looks beautiful.

It would be a better spring if I was not working on something so dire.

"xenophobic memes" in Google will find it.

Keith Henson



From tudor at thudspace.net  Sun May  2 08:47:56 2004
From: tudor at thudspace.net (Tudor Oprea)
Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 01:47:56 -0700
Subject: [Exi-can] spring
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On Sat, 2004-05-01 at 23:43, Keith Henson wrote:

> It would be a better spring if I was not working on something so dire.
> 
> "xenophobic memes" in Google will find it.

Keith,

I assume that you're still working on your paper... could I have a copy
of the draft by any chance?  Your theory is interesting.

Tudor



From benbest at interlog.com  Thu May 20 23:22:17 2004
From: benbest at interlog.com (benbest at interlog.com)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 23:22:17 US/Eastern
Subject: [Exi-can] Cryonics Meetup in Toronto 
Message-ID: <E1BR0bx-00048q-00@app1.nasc.inter.net>

          
            The next Cryonics Meetup in Toronto will be 
next Thursday, May 27th at 7pm at Le Commensal, a buffet
style inexpensive restaurant offering many vegetarian selections:

Le Commensal
655 Bay St. 
Toronto, ON M5G 2K4
416-596-9364

    Le Commensal is located 2 blocks north and one block west of
the Yonge and Dundas subway station.  All who are interested in
cryonics are welcome to attend. 

  For more information about Meetup, go to:

      http://cryonics.meetup.com/

           -- Ben Best