[extropy-chat] POL(L): The Constitution of Europe

[Dirk Bruere]

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Subject: [extropy-chat] POL(L): The Constitution of Europe


> At 04:45 PM 12/13/03 -0700, you wrote:
> >Message: 23
> >Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:56:34 +0100
> > >From: JDP <jacques at dtext.com>
> >Subject: [extropy-chat] POL(L): The Constitution of Europe
> >To: Dirk Bruere <dirk at neopax.com>,      ExI chat list
> >         <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
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> >Dirk Bruere wrote:
> >
> > > From: <scerir at libero.it>
> > >>
> > >>It seems to me obvious that you cannot
> > >>build a federation of (6, then 15, then 25)
> > >>very different states, having very different
> > >>histories (and reciprocal wars), populations,
> > >>religions, etc., starting  from the economy
> > >>and markets, Political issues come first .
> > >>The EU founding fathers knew that very well.
> > >
> > >
> > > On the contrary.
> > > What we definately don't need is a poor copy of the US with its
centralised
> > > federal govt, which is what the EU is/was aiming for.
> >
> >Do/did we need a formal Europe at all? Are European Extropes pro-Europe?
> >Why?
>
> Depends on what you mean by pro-Europe.  If you mean no physical or trade
> barriers, to enjoy different cultures and options without restraint, then
> I'm pro-Europe.
>
> If you mean, as has been said "a poor copy of the US", then no, I wouldn't
> be pro-that-kind-of-Europe.  Neither am I pro the current Constitution, as
> the vast majority of Europeans have no conception of the difference
between
> a document bestowing freedoms, next to one restricting a Governments
> ability to infringe on freedoms.  Many people here still beleive their
> rights spring from their Constitutions.  A dangerous error.

IMO the only thing a constitution should do is explicitly limit the power of
the EU with respect to both nations and individuals.

Dirk

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