[extropy-chat] when will computers improve?

Sat Dec 20 05:19:13 UTC 2003

Yeah, I've had the same trouble woth Corel applications. Now that you
mention it, my troubles became noticable after installing wordperfect. Hmmm.
Coincidence?

I see what you mean about the hardware combinations. My chipset is SiS and
my video card Nvidia. I wonder if there isn't some kind of rivalry there
since SiS makes a video card and nvidia makes a motherboard chipset. Could
this be causing some of my random crash issues as well?
I've narrowed out all the usual culprits like new hard drive, re-formatted
drive, new video card, new motherboard, new power-supply, new processor, new
fans (3) new ribbons, hell, I've rebuilt my system twice in the last 6
months from the ground up!

I'm down to only two possibilities. Crappy OS, or crappy user...and until
this, I never had a problem I couldn't fix. I'm no expert, but several years
ago I did get A+ certified. Things have changed a lot since then and I
haven't followed them hardly at all, but I never had these problems until I
built this system.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Lorrey" <mlorrey at yahoo.com>
To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] when will computers improve?

> Something else I have noticed: when you have one browser window on a
> YABB SE supported forum, and another browser window on Friendster,
> images will fail to load and eventually the browser will crash.
>
> Other things:
> I used to have lots of problems with Corel applications, especially
> Ventura. Comes from running large documents that are several versions
> old and have been compiling edit relics for quite a while, at least in
> part (Doing a "Save As" to a new name rather than just saving cleans
> this up handily). I've found spell checkers that would crash the whole
> machine if you asked them to spell check a certain 12 character text
> segment (this one really entertained the techs at Corel for a while),
> and I've found image frames that decide to take a hike and you can only
> herd them in if you expand your page size to 36" width, and when you
> try to delete them, your system crashes...
>
> I am also convinced that lots of OS crashes are not the fault of the OS
> or any programs installed. They are the fault of the particular
> combination of hardware you have installed on the motherboard,
> particularly the video card. Companies like Dell and Gateway are able
> to minimize their support costs because they limit the different models
> of hardware components they sell, and they do extensive R&D to find out
> what combinations are most stable. Mom & Pop PC maker down the street
> typically doesn't have the resources, unless they just clone what the
> big boys are doing.
>
> Home builders are in similar circumstances. They want the best of this,
> that, and the other, but don't have a knowledgebase of testing to
> demonstrate what works well together.
>
> --- Kevin Freels <kevinfreels at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks, but I've been there and done that. I have a program called
> > process
> > explorer that actually shows me all the process going on. Nothing
> > there but
> > my drivers, etc as described and stuff that needs to be there. I did
> > just
> > reduce my fonts from some 50 or so to about 25. We'll see how that
> > goes.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Mike Lorrey" <mlorrey at yahoo.com>
> > To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 7:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] when will computers improve?
> >
> >
> > > Keep an eye on all those TSRs that run down on the right hand end
> > of
> > > the task bar. They tend to pile up a lot. I have also noticed, at
> > least
> > > in XP, that many such programs that you install that should display
> > an
> > > icon down there don't, though the programs are running if you bring
> > up
> > > the task list in task manager.
> > > Another thing that east resources are fonts. If you are not a
> > graphic
> > > designer, you really don't need a thousand and one fonts.
> > Minimizing
> > > your fonts down to a few dozen saves tons of resources.
> > > Still another thing is a funky desktop image and lots of sounds and
> > > animations on your icons and cursor actions. Get rid of em.
> > >
> > > --- BillK <bill at wkidston.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > On Fri Dec 19, 2003 05:29 pm Kevin Freels wrote:
> > > > > Once I have my soundcard driver, mouse driver, video card
> > > > > driver, ZoneAlarm, DSL (EnterNet 300 which sucks all by
> > itself),
> > > > and
> > > > > Norton AV running, I get resources available of 68%.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sounds excessive to me.
> > > > I have Win98, 256MB memory, and when I load all the drivers, plus
> > > > Nvidia
> > > > graphics drivers plus Cable Internet, Sygate Personal firewall,
> > AVG
> > > > antivirus and Mozilla Mail and Browser, I have resources
> > available of
> > > > about 83% GDI, 80% USER and 80% SYSTEM.
> > > >
> > > > I usually have lots more than this running quite happily.
> > > >
> > > > Try different software?
> > > >
> > > > BillK
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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