[extropy-chat] The world as a Sim ? Irrelevant

[Samantha Atkins]

I think you rather missed the point I was attempting to make. I'll probably 
get around to taking another stab at it over  the weekend.  Hyper busy until 
then.  

-s

On Thursday 06 November 2003 16:17, Brett Paatsch wrote:
> Samantha wrote:
> > On Wednesday 05 November 2003 18:33, Brett Paatsch wrote:
>
> [Eliezer]
>
> > > >  The question is whether almost all of you are
> > > > simulated, or almost all of you are real.
> > >
> > > I know I'm real.  Do you know you are real?
> >
> > The wording itself is suspect.   Reality is relative to and includes
> > context.  Within the sim you are and experience yourself precisely
> > as being just as real as if you are outside a sim.  Why is the original
> > running of universe as we know it more privileged than a fully virtual
> > running of an equally complex universe with just as many (perhaps
> > more) degrees of freedom?  Or, if you like, why is meat space forever
> > priviliged over any and all virtual spaces no matter how much more
> > accomodating to everything we hold most dear that any such space
> > could be?
>
> I think its a good maxim to hold words (as potentially mislabelled 'cans'
> of concepts) suspect most of the time but I am not entirely sure whether
> you are referring to my wording or to Eliezer's or both. I'd recommending
> holding both suspect out of an abundance of caution, not of getting hurt
> or because I think either Eliezer or I would attempt to deceive you in any
> deep way but just because of the potential for misunderstanding. You
> ferocious and redoubtable Samantha are very good at understanding
> words (but other youngsters like me are potentially reading too so I
> write in part for them).
>
> I have never been outside of the world in which I live (although the
> world in which I live is I suspect a bit larger than some folks worlds and
> my world is growing and deepening all the time). Your statement that
> "you are and experience yourself precisely as being just as real as if
> you are outside a sim" then, simply does not work for me. You are
> 'inviting' me to consider something about me that you cannot know
> and I do. That is that I have never been outside my world.  I suspect
> you have not been outside yours either but are creating it with typical
> Samantha gusto and fervour and ferocity every single  day. If you
> encounter local deities why I bet you will march right up to them and
> demand that they give an account of themselves to you or they can
> just bloody well bugger off. God bless you for that Samantha and don't
> hold back on the deities but take it a little easy on the flora and the
> fauna and the young as they do not always get it and so there needs
> to be some rules so that they have space to learn and grow in safely.
>
> Brett
> [pan-critical non-believer]
>
>
>
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