[extropy-chat] The Consensus :Expressio unius est exclusioalterius

[Mike Lorrey]

--- Dirk Bruere <dirk at neopax.com> wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Lorrey" <mlorrey at yahoo.com> 
> >
> > --- Dirk Bruere <dirk at neopax.com> wrote:
> > > Then why do you need it written into your law if it's so obvious?
> >
> > Only to instruct statist idiots to keep their hands off. Unlike
> you, or
> > the UK, we recognise rights as prexisting any constitution or other
> > document or contract. If you need a governments permission to be
> 
> Unless you're a theist then you must acknowledge that Rights are a
> contract between the individual and society.

Untrue. I have, on several occasions on this list, demonstrated that
the natural rights of man can be abstracted as Objective Truth via
scientific observation from the embedded physical laws of the universe.
No extra-universal or super-natural Prime Cause is necessary.
Materialists do not need to depend on the vagaries and corruptibility
of any social construct to embody the rights they were born with as
human animals.

> In a democracy that society is represented by the govt.

No, it isn't. A government is an implementation of a constitutional
contract and no more. That contract does not grant rights, in only
recognises rights that pre-existed it and will remain long after that
contract has become obsolete.

> 
> > 'allowed' to do something, it isn't a right, it is a privilege, one
> > that they can take away at whim. Rights are an inherent part of
> > your constitutional being, not a piece of whimsey to be negotiated
> > for on sufferance.
> 
> They are always a balance of power.

On the contrary, my right to swing my arm ends at your nose only when
you have done nothing to provoke the swinging. As a libertarian, I
support the non-initiation of force principle, but too many alleged
libertarians assume that this is a pacifist principle, it isn't. It
demands balanced response to agression or it is useless.

Statists, being statists, are, by thought, word, and deed, constantly
initiating force against liberty lovers and so any NIF, ZAP, (or
whatever you call it) does not strictly apply to statists. The NIF/ZAP
requires libertarians respond proportionately every day to
transgressions against their natural rights.

While a government may refuse to recognise your rights, its refusal
does not take them away, their refusal is only a violation against your
inherent natural rights, a violation you are obligated to respond to if
you are a libertarian.

> 
> > Our Constitution does not give us our rights, it tells the
> government
> > only what it can do, and no more. That which government is not
> > specifically empowered to do are powers retained by the people as
> > individuals. This is the difference of a government of citizens and
> a
> > government of serfs.
> 
> Seems Bush has a rather flexible idea about your 'Rights', since they
> can be suspended by govt decree.

He hasn't messed with my rights one bit, in fact, he recognises my 2nd
amendment rights far better than his predecessor. A government may
decide to not recognise my rights, that does not mean they do not
exist, since that government never invented them to begin with. What
Bush has done is lowered the bar for prosecution of non-Americans who
abuse our open society in order to attack us. Any society which would
refuse to do so is doomed to defeat at the hands of insurgency.

Insurgent infiltrators are, by their deeds, initiating force against
free people by their abuse of the liberties recognised by our open
society (note, not granted). This initiation of force demands the
government, and the individual members, of that society respond
proportionately to that agression.

=====
Mike Lorrey
"Live Free or Die, Death is not the Worst of Evils."
                                       - Gen. John Stark
"Fascists are objectively pro-pacifist..."
                                       - Mike Lorrey
Do not label me, I am an ism of one...
Sado-Mikeyism: http://mikeysoft.zblogger.com

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