[extropy-chat] Driver safety and the immortalist

Kevin Freels megaquark at hotmail.com
Thu Jul 8 16:06:03 UTC 2004

Have any of the studies taken the increased passenger capacity of an SUV
into consideration ? My Miata carries two people, so the most I could kill
in a single vehicle crash is two. Many SUVs can kill up to 8 people in a
single-vehicle crash. A collision between the two could kill up to 16.

Does anyone know what the average passenger count is in an SUV?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "BillK" <pharos at gmail.com>
To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Driver safety and the immortalist

> On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:50:58 -0700, Spike <spike66 at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > Even the most hardcore libertarian can see that it would
> > be a bargain to use public funds to repair the hole.  But
> > if the government raises taxes then still refuses to
> > resurface the roads, the best course of action is for the
> > frustrated masses to buy the biggest rudest ugliest jacked up
> > humvee available, then go out gleefully looking for holes
> > to run over (muaaahahahahahahahaaaa, take THAT, you hole!).
> >
> It seems to me that blaming bad weather and bad roads for the poor
> accident record of SUVs is stretching the point a bit.
> Car drivers take more care in bad weather. SUVs may make drivers
> over-confident and too reckless in bad weather.
> But the big problem with SUVs seems to be roll-overs.
> >From <http://www.saferoads.org/issues/fs-rollover.htm> --
> Rollover crashes are the leading cause of fatalities in SUVs. Rollovers
> are among the most dangerous types of vehicle crashes because of the
> high incidence of occupant ejection and head injuries. SUVs are more
> prone to rollover than other vehicle types, due to their higher ground
> clearance and narrow width, which tend to make these vehicles top-heavy
> and more likely to roll over in crashes. (NHTSA)
> In single vehicle crashes, 79 percent of the fatalities among SUV
> occupants involve rollover. Single-vehicle rollover crashes produced
> more than 50 percent of all occupant deaths in SUVs compared to 34
> percent in pickup trucks and 19 percent in cars. (IIHS)
> Lighter SUVs are disproportionately involved in fatal rollover crashes,
> with a rate that is more than 6 times as high as that in the largest
> cars. (IIHS)
> For heavier SUVs, those weighing more than 5,000 pounds, nearly 4 out of
> every 5 occupant crash deaths (78 percent) occur in single-vehicle
> rollovers. (NHTSA)
> In 2001, 35 percent of all SUVs involved in fatal crashes experienced a
> rollover. The second most rollover prone vehicles were pickup trucks (25
> percent), followed by vans (19 percent) and, finally, passenger cars (16
> percent). (NHTSA)
> A disproportionately high level of rollover related fatalities
> characterizes SUV crashes - the SUV is the only vehicle type in which
> the number of occupant deaths in rollovers exceeds the number of
> occupant deaths in non-rollover crashes. In 2002, almost two-thirds of
> occupant fatalities in SUV crashes occurred in rollovers. (NHTSA)
> BillK
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