[extropy-chat] Rephrase the "Marriage" question...

Al Brooks kerry_prez at yahoo.com
Fri Nov 5 04:55:35 UTC 2004


More good points here esp. regarding chemical,
hormonal desexing. That's an important option.
 Anyhow, I just want to sow a few more wild oats
before the box of oats goes six feet under, "get it
while you can". 
pangs & longing and love is like high school. 



--- nsjacobus at yahoo.com wrote:
> What we've (speaking for myself) come to realize is
> that the old forms 
> of relationships simply don't work as well as was
> once thought. 
> Marriage never used to be about love...it was an
> economic idea. Purely 
> a tribal notion based on procreation, quelling
> inter-tribe violence, 
> etc. Now we expect marriage to be the vehicle for
> interpersonal and 
> individual happiness. But there's notion inherent to
> the notion of 
> marriage that says it will provide these things. It
> was never designed 
> to.
> 
> So, we're in a period of flux. How do we remake
> inter-personal 
> relationships so as to maximize our ability to lead
> a good life (by 
> whatever measure). The answer clearly seems to be
> that what works for 
> some people doesn't work for everyone. However, the
> prevalent social 
> mores in this country preclude us from experimenting
> in any meaningful 
> way in trying to create new kinds of interpersonal
> bonds. Given the 
> option and the will, there are a lot of
> possibilities that one could 
> try. Maybe some people would opt for
> chemical/hormonal de-sexing. Maybe 
> sex is too much of a hindrance in finding the kind
> of happiness I'm 
> talking about. I don't know. The point is, if we
> don't develop an 
> environment that encourages that kind of
> experimentation and 
> exploration then we will be selling ourselves short.
> 
> -NJ
> 
> 
> On Nov 4, 2004, at 10:59 PM, Al Brooks wrote:
> 
> Well, you got right to it.
> look, I'll be 50 in another year or so, do not want
> to
> be an old maid, so what is so terrible about
> marrying
> a 15 year old before my body is unmarketable? We put
> on this brave front like we're going to live
> indefinitely but anybody could die in an accident,
> the
> future is great but there's today too.
> If I have a good time, make it to 65 then get
> suspended, that's good enough. If you make it to 65
> or
> 70 it can be called a good life. Aren't you thankful
> for small favors?
> 
> --- nsjacobus at yahoo.com wrote:
> > True enough. However, still, this makes me think
> > that since what we are
> > really talking about is something far more general
> > than the notion of
> > marriage, shouldn't we, as Extropians, really be
> > trying to abolish the
> > specific-notion of "marriage" altogether ?
> >
> > I mean, I can understand that gays want simply to
> > have the same rights
> > as heteros (and they should), but ultimately if
> the
> > "traditional"
> > notion of marriage is backwards (in a certain
> > Extropian sense),
> > shouldn't we be trying to go way further here?
> >
> > Death To Marriage!
> >
> >
> > On Nov 4, 2004, at 10:25 PM, Al Brooks wrote:
> >
> > Any sort of marriage anyone wants or doesn't want.
> >   Right now there's pressure for people to get
> > married-- and believe it or nor I accept this
> > opposition. But there are those of us who will
> pull
> > the tug o' war rope from the other direction. You
> > know
> > what this country is about, how Americans change
> > things-- with utmost fuss & bother. There was a
> four
> > year war merely to abolish slavery. To grant women
> > the
> > vote took how many decades?
> >
> >
> >>   If we (whoever) were to build a society from
> the
> >> bottom up (on the
> >> moon, in orbit, in the asteroid belt, under the
> >> ocean, etc), ie: from
> >> scratch, what sort of support/allowance, etc
> > should
> >> such a society have
> >> (if any) for "Marriage"?
> >>
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