[extropy-chat] Seth and other nonsense

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You've already fooled yourself. Don't bother to _believe_ anything. 
Belief (in things other than yourself) is for suckers.

-NJ

On Nov 15, 2004, at 6:32 PM, Walter_Chen at compal.com wrote:

I don't particularly believe in channeling in general.
But for Seth in particular, Jane Roberts had written over 30 books.
It's difficult to say it's just nonsense.
Some of her ideas are very interesting.
Maybe this is also the Principle of Complementarity: Some people 
believe, some people don't.
For me, I just try to digest and reason what I think is good.
For example,
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The Unknown? Reality, Vol. 1
by Jane Roberts
In this mind-stretching journey into the very frontiers of 
consciousness, Seth continues his discussions of the multidimensional 
nature of the human soul. In Seth Speaks, Seth introduced the concept 
of ?probable realities,? in which all possible choices are fully 
experienced by other portions of the self. Now, in this first volume of 
The ?Unknown? Reality, Seth explains the dazzling labyrinths of unseen 
probabilities involved in any decision, and how our awareness of these 
can enrich the waking life we know. In a fascinating exploration of the 
cosmic web of our existence, Seth reveals:

the purpose of dreams, and how they are often fulfilled unconsciously

consciousness units? (CUs), electromagnetic energy units? (EEs), as the 
building blocks of our entire universe

misconceptions about death and the afterlife
how different probable realities intersect and influence one another
the relationship between physical health and inner reality
explorers of the unknown reality ?the dream-art scientist, true mental 
physicist, complete physician; as dream-art disciplines for 
incorporating the ?blueprints? for reality into physical reality

a series of exercises to help you discover the unknown portions of your 
greater identity

?The Seth books present an alternate map of reality with a new diagram 
of the psyche ... useful to all explorers of consciousness.? Deepak 
Chopra, M.D., author of Ageless Body, Timeless Mind

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Thanks.
 
Walter.
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:43:34 +0800, walter_chen wrote:
 >
 > But it also can not satisfy me if you say pure 4 physical forces 
alone can
 > evolve into
 > such complicated world and thoughtful human beings like you and me.
 > Maybe technology is not the best way to transcend the human limits.
 > And I don't understand why Seth-related stuff is nonsense.
 >

  If you *really* don't know why channeling is nonsense (or fraud) read:

Demon-Haunted World
by CARL SAGAN, ANN DRUYAN
Carl Sagan muses on the current state of scientific thought, which
offers him marvelous opportunities to entertain us with his own
childhood experiences, the newspaper morgues, UFO stories, and the
assorted flotsam and jetsam of pseudoscience. Along the way he debunks
alien abduction, faith-healing, and channeling; refutes the arguments
that science destroys spirituality, and provides a "baloney detection
kit" for thinking through political, social, religious, and other
issues.

Why People Believe Weird Things:  Pseudoscience, Superstition, and
Other Confusions of Our Time
by Michael Schermer
Review <http://www.rathinker.co.kr/skeptic/refuge/weird.html>

BillK
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Nige

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  A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, 
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