[extropy-chat] Krugman on the state of play

[Amara Graps]

Kevin Freels megaquark at hotmail.com:
>By the way. Why is it that people think that "torture" and
>"abuse" are the same thing? Torture is what Saddam did. Our
>prisoners in Abu Ghraib were abused. I am not condoning this
>behavior, but it's not like these prisoners were being beheaded
>with a knife, having limbs cut off, being electrocuted, or
>starved to death.

(I wonder how you cannot know this.)

Three more navy seals charged with the Abu Ghraib prisoner's deaths 
(this brings the number of seals charged to seven)
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/25/international/middleeast/25abuse.html

catch all of the news
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=tus&q=Abu+Ghraib+navy+seals

Many many items here regarding deaths, tortures, rapes:
http://www.boingboing.net/cgi-bin/mt/mt-search.cgi?IncludeBlogs=1&search=Abu+Ghraib
(read down to the Seymour Hersh news, especially)

Amara