[extropy-chat] RFID smartcard passports and driver's licences

[Samantha Atkins]

Yes and I called him privately on it.

- s

On Apr 7, 2005, at 6:14 AM, Mike Lorrey wrote:

> The Exxon speed pass is quite different, so you don't know what you are
> talking about. Modern RFID tags can be read up to 17 feet away,
> according to the manufacturers own propaganda.
>
> Doesn't Dustins post count as ad hominem?
>
> --- Dustin Wish with INDCO Networks <dwish at indco.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hey,
>>
>> Chicken little, it is not that easy to hack RFID or read the info. I
>> think
>> you need to chill and take off the tin-foil hat. You have to be VERY
>> close
>> to read the id and there is very little info on the chip anyway. I
>> think if
>> they can read your wearing NIKE's from your RFID tag then I'm sure
>> they are
>> close enough to look at your feet and see it. My advise, stay off the
>> dope,
>> move out of your mom's trailer, and worry more about the economic
>> impact of
>> the loss of jobs to China.
>>
>> I will cite a proven crack of the Exxon speedpass as an example:
>>
>> http://www.craveonline.com/garage/stories.php?sid=1346
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org
>> [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org] On Behalf Of "Hal
>> Finney"
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 8:49 PM
>> To: extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
>> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] RFID smartcard passports and driver's
>> licences
>>
>> Mike Lorrey writes:
>>> Virtually ANY customer loyalty program card today has an RFID in
>> it. We
>>> need wallets made from steel mesh cloth to provide shielding for
>> our
>>> cards from casual scanners. War-walking will be the new form of
>>> identity theft in the near future, walking past people on  a busy
>>> street with your card-scanner enabled PDA ripping peoples
>> identities
>>> without their knowledge...
>>>
>>> Furthermore, most shoes sold today have an RFID in the heel. All
>> NIKE
>>> sneakers do. More and more clothes have them in the seams, to
>> comply
>>> with Walmart vendor requirements. Most stores already have the
>>> equipment (not the software) to scan everyone coming into the store
>> to
>>> see what RFIDs they have on them to make a judgement as to whether
>> that
>>> person is someone the store wants for a customer.
>>
>> I did not think that RFID had progressed so far, so fast.  Do you
>> have
>> any citations to prove any of this?  I only found references to one
>> loyalty program card at a German store that was testing experimental
>> RFID technology.  And I couldn't find anything about Nikes having
>> RFIDs,
>> or clothing.
>>
>> www.spychips.com is a product of the consumer group CASPIAN which
>> opposes loyalty cards and other privacy-invasive programs.  They had
>> a
>> lot of information on the Metro Future store loyalty cards, which
>> were
>> discontinued after protest.  But nothing about shoes or clothes.  I'm
>> sure
>> they'd go ballistic if these practices were actually as widespread as
>> you say.
>>
>> Hal
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>
> Mike Lorrey
> Vice-Chair, 2nd District, Libertarian Party of NH
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> It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
>                                       -William Pitt (1759-1806)
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