[extropy-chat] competent superhack

Al Brooks kerry_prez at yahoo.com
Mon Aug 8 17:25:14 UTC 2005 

America could have a true heavyweight president yet they feel more comfortable with competent hacks. Bush is tough & competent, self assured. But he, like his father was, is in government for the Career of Service-- emphasis on Career. That's how they were brought up, high at their level they see it as their calling but also their due. Joe Bloch told me "you hate Bush". No, not at all; there's not enough there to hate. He isn't smart enough to attempt an imperial presidency, as Nixon did. He's not interested, he just wants to serve his term of office, write his memoirs, look after grandchildren later on. If Bush is a monster, he is a monster-cornball. I don't see a sinister usurper in Bush, merely a competent superhack.

1) I didn't call 51% of the US idiots, just the ones that voted for 
Bush the second time (well, okay, the first time too). That was far 
less than 51% of Americans, even voting-age americans. Morelike 22%. 
I stand by my statement that those who did are dumbf*cks.
2) I thought it was funny, sorry you didn't.
3) I do understand the right and why they win elections - they cheat.
4) No people "represent constituents" for me, but rather are just 
thinking individuals who decide for themselves what to do. If someone 
in Texas is upset by me calling their state dumbf*ckistan, they're 
probably neo-cons anyway and I couldn't care less what they think. Our 
hope is that they'll continue sending their offspring to war en masse 
and eventually evolution will kick in and the warmongering dipsh*ts 
will die off OR they'll finally see that on the other side of the 
ridicule, there's a better way.

I -used to be- one of those nice politically correct liberals (before I 
was a former libertarian, I was a former socialist...now I've realized 
that situational pragmatism is the only way to work politics) that 
would let people have their say even if they were lying snooty jerks, 
and then respond politely and with clear discursive argumentation. 
Now, if I see a lying snooty jerk, I call them a lying snooty jerk. 
This is a bit reactionary, it certainly breaks the rule my mamma told 
me "If you use bad words it's because you don't have anything to say".

I got tired of the conservative pundits having all the fun making fun 
of liberals and so decided to join in and since I've long since said 
everything I have to say about the war, it's bad words time - and my 
mamma forgives me in this particular case.

In fact, I think I have understood one major part of what causes those 
dipsh*ts to be conservatives, they like the fact that they can make fun 
of someone, it makes them feel superior. Well, if what they like is 
ridicule then I say give'em what they want. -Remember that Wally 
George, Imus and Rush Limbaugh are their HEROS-.

Put it in conservative language. There comes a time for talking, when 
you have an honest disagreement with someone, and you think there's a 
chance to come to a peaceful resolution. But sometimes the enemy is 
soo beligerent, so oppressive and so self-absorbed that any rational 
discussion is useless. Then what? In grade school it was time to 
start kicking the shins. Since I'm a nonviolent person, I won't shoot 
senators. I don't have enough money to afford the kind of lawyers that 
would be needed to tie them up in court so I do what I can - I tell the 
truth about what they do and then yell mean names at them 'till I'm 
blue in the face hoping that EVENTUALLY people will come to see things 
my way - even if they end up hating me in the process.

Thankfully, this has recently happened:

Zogby reports his overall approval rating from "likely voters" to be 
less than 50% and declining for two weeks straight (currently at 42%). 
On Iraq he's 60% disapprove, 40% approve according to CNN.

Things like this make my day. I hope this lasts until the 2006 
mid-terms. What with gas prices on the rise, the economy still in the 
slumps, the ever-increasing defecit, the body bags and the plans to 
nuke Iran, I don't foresee a lot of forthcoming popularity. On the 
other hand, he may be able to drag us into another war in order to 
bolster his popularity. Ve shall see.

Meanwhile, if you like to play the part of the nice liberal, by all 
means, go for it! The ear doesn't try to be the eyes does it?

R


On Aug 7, 2005, at 11:25 PM, Brian Lee wrote:

> I find it comical that you harangue the red staters for being stupid 
> and then express your own stupidity by calling them "country-bumpkin 
> citizens of dumbf*ckistan".
>
> There's a name for those who can't understand the viewpoints of 
> others: fundamentalists. You're acting like a fundamentalist in your 
> belief that you are correct and tons of others are wrong. It goes both 
> ways. I think calling 51% of the US idiots is no way to further your 
> cause. You're going to need to understand the right and why they win 
> elections in order to regain control of the US. Belittling 
> constituents is not the way to go about it.
>
> BAL
>
>> From: Robert Lindauer 
>> To: ExI chat list 
>> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] can't war protesters do better?
>> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 20:15:10 -1000
>>
>> Then why bother asking the war protesters to do better. The 
>> convinced are convinced - so vat else is new?
>>
>> "nobody's innocent" - Kingpin
>>
>> In any case, us war protesters have done our job and thank goodness, 
>> saying we haven't is just absurd.
>>
>> Robbie
>>
>>
>> On Aug 7, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Al Brooks wrote:
>>
>>> This is comprehensive post. But nothing I've read convinces me the 
>>> war ought to be terminated now. If you want to think my position is 
>>> America's role in Iraq is innocent until proven guilty, fine. It 
>>> probably is.
>>> And of course the war is mainly about oil, it is a given; petroleum 
>>> is the lifeblood of the economy.
>>>
>>>> Great.
>>>>
>>>> Al, baby. War protesters DO BETTER. In fact, now that the
>>>> administration's approval rating on Iraq is down to 38%, I'd say 
>>>> that
>>>> the anti-war message is finally getting across effectively. Body 
>>>> bags
>>>> and information tend to do that and every once in a while stories 
>>>> from
>>>> Iraq do get home - mostly the bad news of more dead people. Go team!
>>>> Kill, Kill, Kill!
>>>>
>>>> Secondly, it's easy to make fun of idiots. That's why people no 
>>>> longer
>>>> make fun of that drug addict with the white hair and television 
>>>> show.
>>>>
>>>> In fact, it's too easy. In fact, the anti-war movement makes such a
>>>> good rational case for not being at war with Iraq that it appears 
>>>> the
>>>> only thing left to do is make fun of the idiots that still buy into 
>>>> it.
>>>> If you doubt this, please explain why we're at war in Iraq 
>>>> remembering
>>>> some essential facts:
>>>>
>>>> 1) There are ! now WMD's there, there haven't been for years, and 
>>>> both
>>>> the CIA and British intelligence KNEW this and told the American and
>>>> British Administrative branches BEFORE they decided to go to war and
>>>> make the case before the UN. The UN inspectors were there verifying
>>>> this before the war and when they were kicked out by US threats of 
>>>> war,
>>>> they exclaimed that there simply was no threat there. This is
>>>> unsuprising given the years of UN inspections and the awesome 
>>>> economic
>>>> burden we put on Iraq after the Kuwait Invasion.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Al quaeda was completely uninvolved in Iraq before the war and
>>>> their current involvement is at best questionable. In fact, due to 
>>>> the
>>>> outrage at us having invaded Iraq, the level of islamic extremist
>>>> terrorist threat worldwide, but especially for US and British 
>>>> targets,
>>>> has increased - as predicted by the CIA prior to the invasion of 
>>>> Iraq.
>>>>
>>>> 3) The level of nepotism in Iraq is unparalleled. Haliburton - the
>>>> company ! that still gives Cheney a million dollars a year - LOST a
>>>> billion dollars after having won an unreviewed government contract
>>>> without competition. UDI, a subsidiary of the Carlyle Group on whose
>>>> board sits Pappy Bush himself, is the biggest defense contractor 
>>>> and to
>>>> date the one who's made the most money from this war. Prior to the 
>>>> war
>>>> itself, Iraqi expatriots and a few oil companies met to divvy up the
>>>> spoils and our own deputy defense minister said that it was "job 
>>>> number
>>>> 1" to secure the oil fields. Make no mistakes, they're in it for the
>>>> money.
>>>>
>>>> 4) There are other countries in the world that actually DO have
>>>> weapons of mass destruction - like Korea and Pakistan - that 
>>>> actually
>>>> ARE ruled by maniacs - and Pakistan is an ally of our and we're not
>>>> invading North Korea any time soon. Why? Because it's not our job to
>>>> fix all the governments in the world. It's neither our job nor is it
>>>> within our reasonable reach. We simply c! ouldn't fight North Korea 
>>>> and
>>>> Iraq at the same time without fundamentally changing our country 
>>>> into a
>>>> complete war machine - re-instituting the draft, raising taxes, 
>>>> further
>>>> plunging our country into debt, not to mention the body bags - and 
>>>> you
>>>> know what, voter here wouldn't stand for it any more than they stood
>>>> for vietnam or Korea. And worse than that, the terrorists would have
>>>> won. America would be dead. America is a dream of freedom,
>>>> opportunity, peace and prosperity. If we don't start remembering
>>>> quickly what those core values are and acting on them, America will 
>>>> be
>>>> gone anyway.
>>>>
>>>> 5) Finally the fiscal point. After the idiot in chief got himself
>>>> punditted into office by the supreme court (notably not the supreme
>>>> court of Florida who -actually- had jurisdiction there) and some
>>>> talking heads, we were plunged into a dreadful recession (perhaps 
>>>> you
>>>> didn't notice), and the idiot in chief had no idea what to do about 
>>>> it,
>>>> h! imself having been the ceo of a couple of failed companies. So 
>>>> what
>>>> did he do? He started a war to give people something else to think
>>>> about and spend money on. Oh and did I mention the money - 9 
>>>> Trillion
>>>> dollars of debt in 6 years. That's right, the LIBERALS had balanced
>>>> the budget. Until, well, the belly-up ceo of our country decided to
>>>> bankrupt it. This is the kind of thing that happens when you leave
>>>> your 11-year-old kid to mind the store while you and the wife go on
>>>> vacation for a month. This point -should- bother people like Lorrey,
>>>> but of course that -kind- of libertarian has their head stuck so 
>>>> far up
>>>> the unmentionable orifices of the establishment that it's not
>>>> surprising their ocular nodes don't work being themselves soaked 
>>>> with
>>>> odoriferous bile.
>>>>
>>>> But of course, these points were well made a few years ago. That the
>>>> right wing fascist pigs that run this country and the 
>>>> country-bumpkin
>>>> citizens of dumbf*ckistan in t! he red states can't fathom why 
>>>> anyone is
>>>> against the war is only a sign of either their malice or stupidity.
>>>> Consequently, when what's left of the so-called liberal media only
>>>> pokes fun at the evil and stupid, how can you blame them? What more 
>>>> is
>>>> there to say? Was something overlooked?
>>>>
>>>> Robbie Lindauer
>>>>
>>>> PS - NOW that someone with an opposing view has spoken up, should 
>>>> you
>>>> take this to extro-freedom or should we allow this f-ing liberal to
>>>> continue to ridicule the stupid/evil people on the hawkish side of 
>>>> the
>>>> fence?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 6, 2005, at 10:36 AM, spike wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> From: extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org 
>>>> [mailto:extropy-chat-
>>>> >> bounces at lists.extropy.org] On Behalf Of Robert Lindauer
>>>> >> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 12:44 PM
>>>> >> To: ExI chat list
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] can't war protesters do better?
>>>> >>
>>>> >&! gt; I wonder, does -this- thread belong on ex=freedom or 
>>>> whatever?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Let's let it sputter on a while. Doesn't look like it is
>>>> > going anywhere in particular. spike
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Aug 6, 2005, at 9:14 AM, Al Brooks wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Polemics are valuable, I'm accused of being a "pabulum 
>>>> spewer" and
>>>> >>> for
>>>> >>>  "mistaking twaddle for objectivity" by leftwing stormtroopers 
>>>> in
>>>> >>> this
>>>> >>> most politically polarized town I live in...
>>>> >
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