[extropy-chat] can't war protesters do better?

[Robert Lindauer]

kevinfreels.com wrote:

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>>Fooled twice, huh?  Sad.
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>Nope. I haven;t been fooled. Everythign has been turning out just about how
>I expected.
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Happy?


>>>I am not a neo-con
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>>Maybe you are, have you checked their official views?
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>That would be hard to do since there isn't an official definition of the
>word. It is simply a word used by people to describe anyone who disagrees
>with their more liberal point of view. In your eyes, I may be a neo-con, but
>to more conservative people, I would be a liberal....And who is "their"
>anyways? The black helicopter people?
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Check out the Project for the New American Century, it's -relatively 
official- and includes all the -real neocons-.  If you -pretty much 
agree with them- then you're a neo-conservative.  Remember that the 
neo-conservatives have adopted the term so it's gaining widespread 
recognition.

>>>and I certainly
>>>don't support his religious views.
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>>They're unrelated.
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>Not necessarily since many people choose to use the "neo-con" word to imply
>a person has dreams of religious rule.
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Only the ones who aren't aware that the neo-con agenda was formed by 
athiests, Jews and Christians alike with no particular religious focus.

>>>I am an atheist and I disagree with many
>>>parts of the Bush agenda.
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>>Just the part about killing arabs for grins and giggles, huh?
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>Just curious. Do you honestly believe that Bush is killing arabs for grins
>and giggles?
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Pretty much.  It makes him happy when they die.

> Do you think that any US president has enjoyed the idea of
>killing anyone for fun?
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There have been several generals who were presidents of the united 
states.  I have found that warriors who are successful have to find a 
way to enjoy what they do and in personal research I know plenty of army 
personnel who "like the action", so yes, I do think that.  I believe, 
for instance, that Andrew Jackson actually enjoyed killing indians.

> Whther you like it or not, Bush is a human being who
>was born and raised in the US. The odds are overwhelming that he has a great
>deal of respect for life in general.
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As everywhere, evidence is what counts.  What I see are bombs, dying 
people, etc.

> Even id his decision was wrong, it
>doesn;t mean he liked the idea. 
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He certainly did profit from it and it made some really nice cameos and 
boosted his presidential ratings enough to make the second election look 
reasonable.

>Many people do things they don't like
>because they think it is the right thing to do. Are you so different that
>you can;t comprehend this concept?
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I don't believe that Mr.  Bush has the same concept of "right thing to 
do" that I have.  I genuinely believe that he's interested in gaining as 
much power as possible using whatever means necessary and if people have 
to die in the process, so be it.  Yes, that makes him VERY different 
from me.

>>Of course, the so-called "left" is really just a shill for the so-called
>>"right".  I think I've said that here before.
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>OMG. You have to be joking. You need to see a qualified psychologist because
>you are having difficulty with reality. "left", middle,  and "right" are
>simply labels applied broadly to people in groups of similar opinions. They
>are applied to separate groups because they are dissimilar enough to justify
>a second grouping. You are implying that everyone has the same basic
>beliefs. Get help.
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No, I'm implying that the ideological difference between the American 
Left and the  American Right is so slight as to be negligible since they 
both have the primary function of maintaining the status quo.  This 
includes now the libertarians who -apparently- are supporting the 
state's imperialist ambitions.

>>>So why does an atheist transhumanist vote in support of an administration
>>>with a religious ideology?
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>>And a penchant for war profiteering?
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>War profiteering? Give me a break. Who's stocks went up as a result of the
>war?
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UDI - look it up.  Biggest post-dot-com IPO.  Look who the angels were, 
Carlyle Group.  Are you seriously unaware of this?  Haliburton, billions 
of dollars lost mysteriously.  Cheney, stilling getting his 
million-dollar-a-year pension.  They're not the only ones.

>>>Kerry though, probably
>>>couldn;t even predict what Kerry was going to do
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>>Funny, I recall him spelling out exactly what he was going to do.  He
>>was going to go to the UN, appologize for having invaded Iraq and ask
>>for their assistance in establishing a legitmate and peaceful government
>>in Iraq.  A reasonable proposition that I think would have been welcomed
>>at the UN.
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>Exactly. He "SAID" he was going to do that. He also said a good number of
>other things and they just happened to contradict each other. You have
>simply chosen to bellive this particular statement. That doesn;t mean he
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>would have done it.
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Which other things do you think he said he was going to do?  What 
context were they brought up. That's the position he took on his website 
publicly and officially. 

>>>I knew exactly where Bush stands
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>>Kerry was a flip-flopper wildcard.  Bush is a sturdy known quantity.  I
>>get it.  Better the devil you know than the devil you don't.
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>Exactly.
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Do you suddenly get hungry when McDonalds commercials come on too?

>>Me, on the other hand, I regarded the pineapple up my @ss as unbearable
>>and anything was worth the switch.
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>Would you have felt the same if the replacement were a grenade disguised as
>a suppository?
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Well, if the pineapple up my ass is really hurting me and someone says 
they could replace it with whatever is in the black box and it's 
relatively the same size as the pineapple, I might take the chance just 
because they'd have to take the pineaplle out for a second to get the 
other thing in, I might be able to run or something.

>>>And I am not a Bush supporter by the way.
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>>We all make only practical choices.  I'm not a kerry supporter, so in
>>the end, I voted for my father.   I learned long ago that they never
>>listen to me anyway.
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>Will you acknowledge then that everyone who disagrees with you is not an
>idiot? That there may be at least one single person out there who voted for
>Bush for a reason that was valuable to them and their agenda and that every
>single person who voted for Bush is not a "dumbf**k"?
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Okay, I'll grant that there are simultaneously evil people and stupid 
people who voted for Bush, and a little bit of both sometimes in the 
same individual. 

Robbie Lindauer