[extropy-chat] a futurist prediction

[Samantha Atkins]

I have given up on talking politics in this venue for the most part.   
But it scares and saddens me to see this country apparently marching  
to its demise and to see many here forgiving and sanctioning too much  
that is now being done by this wonderfully conceived nation.  I am  
afraid because there are a lot of energies afoot that could derail  
all those wonderful possibilities and aspirations for generations.    
And many of those negative things are done by we (Americans)  
ourselves.   To not face that is to possibly be blind-sided and  
destroyed.    Facing it does not mean being anti-American.   On the  
flip side being extropian does not require a default political  
position of always seeing America as good or excusing too much simply  
because it is America.    Yes the founding was based on the  
absolutely crucial Enlightenment positions and understandings.  Yes  
the pro-individual focus was and is a fabulously right and needed.   
But we should not lose the ability for self-examination just on the  
basis of what the best of our roots were.  Nor should we assume that  
critics of various aspects of what America is and does today are  
against or attacking these roots or semehow automatically the kin of  
luddites and freedom haters.

- samantha


On Aug 24, 2005, at 5:37 PM, Bret Kulakovich wrote:

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> The-lets-beat-up-the-President-and-invalidate-each-other's- 
> political-standing topic that has increased the signal-to-noise on  
> this list by some sort of geometric amount of dB over the past  
> several months.
>
> Here's a 'prediction': One of us replies, others of us contradict,  
> Iraq, idiot, killfile; lather, rinse, repeat. It's threadjacking  
> run amok.
>
> There are wonderful things going on out there, and things that are  
> going to move us forward. While all the energy goes in, the thread  
> bleeds into neighboring discussions, and good news is deadended.  
> It's like yelling down a hole sometime.
>
>
> I mean hey, ignore my post. The Flying Spaghetti Monster heard my  
> plea no doubt =)
>
>
> ]3
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> For more on Pastafarianism, see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_spaghetti_monster
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> On Aug 24, 2005, at 7:43 PM, Brett Paatsch wrote:
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>> You know its interesting Bret, but I wasn't really all that  
>> interested
>> in this thread headed "a futurist prediction".
>> Yet somehow I doubt that is what you are referring too ;-)
>>
>> Can you say oh person whose DNA is 99.9% identical to most
>> others of your species what it is EXACTLY, "this thread", that
>> you so much wish not to have again that you pray to the Flying
>> Spaghetti Monster to deliver you from?
>>
>> I am not the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I'm just another Brett, yet
>> even I am almost certainly going to be able to oblige you.
>> - Brett
>> (who misses not the irony of nearly always, nearly talking to
>> someone that is nearly himself)
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bret Kulakovich"  
>> <bret at bonfireproductions.com>
>> To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] a futurist prediction
>>
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>>
>>
>>> Oh, My, Flying Spaghetti Monster, Can we P-l-e-a-s-e Not Have  
>>> This  Thread A-g-a-i-n ? !
>>> -or- at Least change the list name to Entropy-Chat ? !
>>> /begs
>>> /pleads
>>> ]3
>>> On Aug 22, 2005, at 10:59 PM, Robert Lindauer wrote:
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>>>> Brett Paatsch wrote:
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>>>>> I think he really *wants* to do some good on his
>>>>> watch.
>>>>>
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>>>> That's fascinating.  Why do you think that?  I assume you mean   
>>>> "real-good" not just "cover-your-ass" good.
>>>>
>>>> Robbie
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