[extropy-chat] Re: is america fascist yet?

[Samantha Atkins]

That there are ulterior motives is so obvious that i have great 
difficulty believing you do not see it.   Bush as hero of freedom is so 
disgusting i am rendered speechless.      Calling me anti-american is 
way beyond remotely civilized discourse.    i hope you enjoy the sand 
you so thoroughly have your head planted in.

- samantha

On Jan 31, 2005, at 11:13 AM, Mike Lorrey wrote:

> Sorry Samantha, but Ned is right here. You can't call a voter turnout
> of over 60% a 'farcical event' when that exceeds the typical turnout
> for US elections. In spite of 44 people being killed in violence
> (including a child suffering from Downs syndrome used as a suicide
> bomber), the Iraqi elections were an unqualified success, as
> international observers have all said. Turnout in the shiite and
> kurdish areas was over 70% according to reports, so it appears the only
> people who were discouraged from voting by the Sunni terrorists were
> the Sunni citizens of Iraq. Holy backfires, batman. The mayor of Bagdad
> has stated that they are going to erect a statue of Bush in the city
> center as a 'hero of freedom'. Hope his pose isn't the same as Saddams
> (assuming they use the same pedestal).
>
> What successful iraqi elections do is expose the lie of the
> anti-Americanistas here and elsewhere who claim all sorts of ulterior
> motives. It will discredit the socialist/internationalist forces here
> in the US and give further impetus to various "US out of the UN/UN out
> of the US" campaigns around the US.
>
> Now Annan's son has copped to all the charges of corruption on the oil
> for food scandal. The UN and the european anti-americanistas are going
> down in flames. Marc Rich, the Clinton pardon recipient, is being
> implicated as a major player in this criminal enterprise. No surprise
> there. Word is coming down that the Clintons themselves may be
> involved. Shall we call this the "Blackwater" scandal?
>
> The only farcical events are now any time the UN purports to represent
> world opinion.
>
> --- Samantha Atkins <sjatkins at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't see the logic.  How can any outcome of that farcical event
>> say anything relevant about how fascist the US is or is not? Even the
>
>> most miraculous outcome would not change the nature of our
>> government.
>>
>> -s
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2005, at 6:33 PM, Ned Late wrote:
>>
>>> Let's give the coming Iraq election-- and those Iraqi
>>> elections coming afterwards-- a chance, before we call
>>> the current administration fascist. If Iraq eventually
>>> succeeds in transforming into a democracy then the
>>> Bush administration wins and will not be remembered as
>>> fascist.
>>> The victors write the history books. If the Axis had
>>> won WWII we'd be eating sushi & rice and reading in
>>> German how Hitler vanquished Communism 60 years ago.
>>>
>>>
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