AnarchoCyphertopian technologies (wasRE: [extropy-chat]Reccommendations for a mailing list)

Samantha Atkins sjatkins at mac.com
Sat Feb 12 21:53:39 UTC 2005


This is a valid question.  We seriously overbuilt bandwidth in the 90s. 
  So that a large percentage of current traffic is spam may not be as 
scary as it at first looks.   My spam filters are very efficient 
currently.  i only have to hand sort about a dozen messages a day.  If 
this was true of more people the profitability would decrease.


On Feb 11, 2005, at 2:10 PM, kevinfreels.com wrote:

> I agree that viruses are vandalism, but I never recall anyone 
> referring to
> physical junk mail in the mailbox as theft. How is SPAM any different? 
> Is it
> simply a matter of volume or is there a larger reason you would call it
> such? Personally I think I have spent more time reading about spam and
> dealing with getting my mail through overzealous spam filters than I
> actually spend deleting spam. I cen selectively delete a day's worth 
> of spam
> in less time than it takes for me to walk to my mailbox and back. Why 
> do so
> many people put so much time and energy into defeating it?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Lorrey" <mlorrey at yahoo.com>
> To: <dirk at neopax.com>; "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:55 PM
> Subject: Re: AnarchoCyphertopian technologies (wasRE:
> [extropy-chat]Reccommendations for a mailing list)
>
>
>>
>> --- Dirk Bruere <dirk at neopax.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And then the last dream of 'free speech' on the Net dies with it.
>>> The answer to spam and virus writing/dispersal lies within the wider
>>> community.
>>
>> You don't have the right to spread viruses, or to monopolize other
>> people's network assets. That is not free speech.
>>
>>>
>>> If the penalties for both were severe the problem would be vastly
>>> reduced.
>>> Spam is money motivated. Make it non-cost effective to both advertise
>>> via spam and to perform the actual spamming. Full confiscation of
>>> assets and lengthy jail time for a start.
>>>
>>> Redefine deliberate virus promulgation as terrorism and prosecute and
>>> punish accordingly. After a few life sentences (no parole) have been
>>> handed down I suspect the problem would fade significantly.
>>
>> More big government solutions.
>>
>> Spam is theft, viruses are vandalism, as well as theft of services.
>> They are property crimes, a matter of common law. A persons right to
>> defend their property against attackers is inviolate. Give them the
>> tools to make it happen.
>>
>> =====
>> Mike Lorrey
>> Vice-Chair, 2nd District, Libertarian Party of NH
>> "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.
>> It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
>>                                       -William Pitt (1759-1806)
>> Blog: http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=Sadomikeyism
>>
>>
>>
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