[extropy-chat] Analyzing the simulation argument

[Diego Caleiro]

Our life is a series of microsecond events, that is not dependent on whether 
this is or not a simulated universe... our existence is composed of micro 
existences. 



Series of continuum events Diego (Log At)



Em Terça 22 Fevereiro 2005 00:12, Dan Clemmensen escreveu:
> Mike Lorrey wrote:
> >--- Dirk Bruere <dirk at neopax.com> wrote:
> >>It could be done by a superficial sim at the molecular level for only
> >>the parts of the universe that we can observe at the molecular level.
> >>That would require very little in the way of computational
> >>requirements compared to a Planck level sim of an entire universe.
> >
> >The entanglement problem doesn't let you work that way. You have to sim
> >it all. Inertia alone is proof of that, being caused by the
> >gravitational influence of all the other matter in the universe going
> >forward in time then back to the moment you push on a mass... If it
> >were merely some code faking inertia, there would be servere
> >repercussions in our astronomical observations.
>
> What do you mean by "we", kimo sabe?
>
> If you believe you are in a sim, why do you think the sim includes
> anything but yourself and your perceptions? By what criteria can you
> distinguish between a sim that encapsulates just yourself, and a sim
> that includes any particular larger "universe"?
>
> For example, you mention "inertia," "gravitational influence," "other
> matter in the universe," and "astronomical observations." If you are the
> only object int he sim, then all of these concepts are amenable to
> direct manipulation. How can you select a point on the sim continuum?
>
> At one end of the continuum, The entire universe is being simulated. All
> of us are emergent consequences of the laws of the simulated universe.
> At the other end of the continuum, your current state is the only thing
> being simulated. it was constructed one microsecond ago, it embodies
> only the current microsecond of your existence, and it will terminate
> one microsecond from now. How do you choose?
>
> For myself, the question is intrinsically undecidable, and all points on
> the simulation continuum are indistinguishable from the no-sim
> hypothesis. I therefore choose to treat the simulation hypothesis as a
> non-starter, except as a basis for harassing fellow extropians.
>
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