[extropy-chat] so is America fascist yet?

[Samantha Atkins]

On Jan 30, 2005, at 4:23 AM, Erik Starck wrote:

> At 10:40 2005-01-30 Samantha Atkins wrote:
>> It sure as hell isn't preemptive war.    Do you believe the US and 
>> thus the citizens of the US, their fortunes, lives and those of their 
>> children are owed to the suffering of every people on earth?
>
> Of course not. This is a global issue and should be handled globally. 
> Unfortunatley, it's not, or at least not global enough.
>
>> Do you further believe that the "cure" takes the form of preemptive 
>> strikes?
>
> Calling the attack on Iraq "preemptive" wasn't the best of 
> justifications for attacking from the coalition. It should really be 
> enough to say that Saddam Hussein was a criminal with too much power, 
> a massmurderer who prevented the country from developing and caused 
> it's people to starve.

Ah.  The sanctions and destroyed infrastructure and continued bombing 
had nothing to do with it I suppose.  A properly virtuous leader like 
that Bush fellow would have triumphed and Iraq would have been a land 
of milk and honey.

It also seems awfully strange and quite sad that in this supposedly 
more blessed land that we are saddled with such debt as to be a major 
danger to the world.   We fight wars of words to keep our religious 
fanatics from
seizing power.   We imprison more of our citizens than any country on 
earth.   Yet we believe all will be well if we export our ways to all 
the earth even if we do so by force of arms.

-samantha

>
> Of course, doing so was politically impossible at the time.
>
>> if not then what is the point of your question?   Do you believe 
>> endless war serves up maximum extropy?
>
> I believe that freedom, trade and the free spreading of ideas between 
> free minds are the best steps possible towards a transhuman future.
>
> My question remains: what do you suggest should be done to prevent the 
> genocide in Sudan or the famine in North Korea?
>
> Remember, people are dying there NOW. Not doing anything or not acting 
> fast enough is the same thing as letting these people die.
>
>
> Erik
>
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