[extropy-chat] it takes a conservative village

[c c]

Mike, it's based on where I live and everything I've seen here. 
But tell me, how many decades have parents been complaining about public schools, and how little has been done about it? It has been 3-4 decades. So you can't blame statist sentiment alone. Many parents are playing a double game, they are saying they put money into the system in the past, and will do so in the future, so that supposedly justifies sending their kids to public schools which they don't like much? Now, I'm no philosopher, but that sounds like very bad thinking, no matter what the circumstances. No matter how much good money they are forced to throw after bad, their children are much more important than the monetary aggregate. Parents can homeschool their children if they really want to. But it's not convenient. Though I have no children I've paid thousands in property taxes, and think all those funds are less valuable than one second of a child's (or adult's) time, as you can get money back, but time is gone forever-- you never get a second back. The issue isn't money to
 me, it is the overall waste. And don't say you dislike the fact that only a tiny fraction of welfare-state funding gets to the recipient, you don't want the recipient to get anything in the first place. You think think all liberals are chumps, don't you?

Mike Lorrey <mlorrey at yahoo.com> wrote:
This is a statement with a lot of assertions but few facts backing
them.

However, conservatives, who do not homeschool or private school their
kids, generally send their kids to public school because the local
community levies property taxes against them that the parents would
otherwise use to privately school their kids. People are taxed many
years before they send kids to school, and many years afterwards, in
total far more than it would cost them to privately school their kids.

How do you know conservative parents don't make education their first
priority? You certainly are jumping to a lot of conclusions here. Many
parents are unable to save for education for their kids because they
are overly taxed by the state for liberals welfare state programs that
are incredibly wasteful and only deliver a small fraction of the funds
and services to the intended end recipient.



--- c c wrote:

> If smaller government is better then why don't fiscal conservatives
> save more for their childrens' education? Why do conservative parents
> so often say, "I don't like big government telling me what to do with
> my family, but I want the government to subsidize my kids'
> education"? If education is so important, then why don't conservative
> parents make it their first priority? If so many conservative parents
> want to send their children to better schools then why don't they
> save much more so they can pay for the schooling entirely by
> themselves? Instead parents essentially say "I pay taxes thus I want
> back for my childrens' education what I put into the system". However
> in terms of quality they are often not getting back what they put in,
> they would have greater odds getting more bang for their buck by
> paying all the educational costs themselves or homeschooling the
> children; and of course some can hire tutors as well. But no, of
> course not-- this would be the sensible thing to do!
> . Instead
> they infuse funds via property and other taxes into the school
> system, but often resent public schools because the quality is merely
> poor - good or the children are not being educated in the way
> conservative parents want them to be educated. 
> What it amounts to is fiscal conservatives say they think their
> children are their own responsibility when deep down they actually
> think the responsibility ought to be shared. "It takes a conservative
> village" is their secret thinking. Jessica Peck Corry of The
> Independence Institute wants parents to take responsibility for their
> own families, yet she will expect the government to take some
> financial responsibility for her child when that child goes to
> school. When you multiply that times all the conservatives in
> Colorado who want government to take at least part of the
> responsibility for their childrens' education, then you can see right
> away that fiscal responsibility in education wont go anywhere in the
> confused state that is Colorado. So much for independence.
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Mike Lorrey
Vice-Chair, 2nd District, Libertarian Party of NH
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.
It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
-William Pitt (1759-1806) 
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