[extropy-chat] Samantha, i read your message very carefully-- it is poignant, very important

[Samantha Atkins]

There is only us.  There are no others to consider the complex and  
ethical issues.  There are no ordained ones of church or academia  
that we may turn over the responsibility to.  History is largely in  
front of us.  We have so much potential freedom to write what we will  
there.   We cannot duck deciding what to write.    The world is being  
made new.  We can make it a faster less forgiving copy of the old  
natural world if we wish or are too afraid or haven't the energy to  
consider what we wish to create.   The real possibility of  
indefinitely long life adds more to the equation than any expert in  
pre-emortality ethics and military history can address.  We can't  
solve such things here but we can begin to talk about them and  
attempt to include them in our thoughts about what is and is not a  
good course of action in keeping with our deepest goals.

- samantha


On Jul 9, 2005, at 2:26 PM, c c wrote:

> ...However it concerns something too deep, it would take a treatise  
> to reply to it, for brevity's sake we are limited to amateur-chat  
> on the war, we're not current or ex military personnel, we dont  
> know what is going on at the highest or middle levels, and as  
> you've mentioned before you don't know what is transpiring on the  
> ground in Iraq. I'm reading your message over & over, but we can't  
> go any farther with your message below than we can with any other  
> message. All our messages are discrete academic chirpings from  
> those who don't know all that much about such complex and  
> complicated ethical issues. Or even the historical background;  
> there's too much to go into.
>  Let's get a first-rate ethicist with an extensive background in  
> defense to sign up for extropy-chat and then we might go somewhere,  
> wherever than 'somewhere' may be. But, somehow,  I really and truly  
> doubt it.
>
>
> Samantha Atkins <sjatkins at mac.com> wrote:
> >If I were to express my abhorrence in a similar way then I would wish
> >that you and those who agree with you would be at ground zero if such
> >a thing was done. But since I understand what you apparently miss I
> >would not wish that on you. What you are missing is that all "those.
> >people" are all potential immortals. Exactly why do they deserve to
> >miss eternity for some real or imagined stupidities of their
> >(relatively) *very* early childhood? We who have not learned yet to
> >truly understand indefinitely long life or understand its requisites
> >are willing to kill all too easily.
>
> - samantha
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