[extropy-chat] Who thinks the Bush admin lied over Iraq?Onwhatbasis?

[Brett Paatsch]

Mike Lorrey wrote:

>> How can we extract ourselves from these messes in Iraq and
>> Afganistan?  Now that's a question worth asking.
>> 
>> 1)  Impeach our president, admit we were wrong.
> 
> For what? 9/11?

For invading Iraq a sovereign member nation of the UN. 

Not for 9/11.  9/11 has nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq. Wrongs
done one party are separate matters to wrongs done another party.

>> 2)  Reach out to the UN for assistance in rebuilding Iraq on THEIR
>> terms - give it to them!
> 
> We are giving it to them, on the Iraqis terms, not the thug coddlers at
> the UN.

Please Mike read the IF at the front of this sentence as it is very
important.

IF Bush ordered the invasion of Iraq illegally. And you supported
him would you be, in your view, a thug coddler?

IF you didn't support him but didn't oppose him either would you 
be a thug coddler?

IF you participated in his re-election would you be a thug coddler?

I am mindful of something that Spike said. Iraq may be on the
eve of construction. I am mindful that democracy is a good thing
or certainly a better thing than most of the alternatives.

But if someone runs into your clubroom and kills or chases away
the president and committee members of your club then arranges
a new election. An election in which the club members that were
chased away or fled in fear of their lives did not agree to participate
in. Then is the result democracy?

What about if they run into your house, shoot you, frighten your
wife away and set up an election amongst your shocked children?

Perhaps that club wasn't a very well liked club. Perhaps the person
that is shot and killed in his own house on suspicion perhaps of
having some sort of weapon of mass destruction wasn't a very
nice guy. 

I don't ask these questions as a person whose club has been 
invaded yet, nor as a person who's house has been invaded yet.

I can still be a bit dispassionate. 

Brett Paatsch