[extropy-chat] My Posting Replies

[Gary Miller]

Avantguardian asked:

>> For example, why would you need to think that Bush was a member of some
secret society in order to cause all the misery >> he has? Because it easier
to believe in an evil club than an evil individual? Or do you believe that
belonging to 
>> the Masons somehow gives Bush more power than he would have without it? 

Maybe because he belonged to Skull and Bones in college.  A very elitist
secret fraternity whose members typically go on to hold positions of great
power in America.  The only fraternity known to have it's own private
island.  People chosen for initiation are the elite of the elite.  Usually
sons of rich power brokers and politicians.

He does not appear to have been chosen to run for president based on either
his academic or moral credentials.

>> If that is the case, how come there are Masons that have trouble making
rent? 

Because the typical Masons are typically viewed as a recruiting organization
or power base.  

A typical Mason is never expected to reach the higher levels of the
organization where it's true doctrine is revealed.

It's not being a Mason that means anything, it's being a 33rd degree Mason
that grants you admittance into the Sanctum Sanctorum.

33rd degree Masons make up a very small percentage of actual Masons.

33rd Degree Masons are secretly nominated meaning they are hand picked by
other 33rd degree Masons.

If you look at 33rd degree Mason roster it does resemble a who's who of
modern day power brokers.

I have never heard of any 33rd degree Masons not being able to pay the rent.

Although the Masons may have added a few by now in an effort to discredit
the conspiracy theorists.

The likelihood of George Bush becoming president is harder for me to believe
than a conspiracy to establish a puppet in the US presidency.

>> For example, why would you need to think that Bush was a member of some
secret society in order to cause all the misery he has?

It is more comforting me to believe in an evil club creating a puppet than a
country that would select him of their free will!





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--- david stiger <stiger420 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> First of all let me say that I am sorry to have offended some of you 
> by asking these questions, and I am also sorry to learn that so many 
> of you cannot live with the fact that I believe there is some kind of 
> larger "shall we call it conspiracy" having to do with the masons and 
> the leaders of religious groups and government officials all over our 
> planet.

I am not offended and I am sorry if anything I said to address your theory
was cosindered offensive to you. I am perfectly happy to allow you to
believe your conspiracy theories. I am just one of those people that try
very hard to distinguish between the faces I see in clouds with the faces I
see on Mt. Rushmore.
Our brains are keyed to recognize patterns of information, even when those
patterns are accidents of chance.

 I did  not 
> inted to come off as someone trying to push my ideas, just as someone 
> who wanted to hear the opinions of people who seem to have a great 
> knowledge of the world.  I know now that even people who are 
> supposedly open to discussing the big problems and issues of our 
> planet, can also be very close minded.

Close mindedness is a bugbear of the human condition that goes way beyond
this list. Much of the death and destruction in the world of late is due to
it.

> I will continue to read the extropy chat list, but I believe you 
> suceeded in convincing me that posting about anything other than 
> hard-fact-based issues is something many of you just can't seem to 
> handle.

Many but not all.
  
> I thought it would make for an interesting discussion, but I guess 
> not.
> Thanks to those of you who only tried to answer my questions and did 
> not immediately criticize my views, I appreciate tolerance in all it's 
> forms.

Well I for one would advise you to develop a thicker skin toward criticism.
Even correct ideas and smart talented people get criticized. The true test
of an idea or a person is that they can withstand that criticism. I would
suggest you examine your theories and why you hold them. You don't need a
conspiracy of thousands to explain all the suffering and injustice in the
world, you just need individuals acting in callous self-interest. For
example, why would you need to think that Bush was a member of some secret
society in order to cause all the misery he has? Because it easier to
believe in an evil club than than an evil individual? Or do you believe that
belonging to the Masons somehow gives Bush more power than he would have
without it? If that is the case, how come there are Masons that have trouble
making rent? 

The Avantguardian
is
Stuart LaForge
alt email: stuart"AT"ucla.edu

"The surest sign of intelligent life in the universe is that they haven't
attempted to contact us." 
-Bill Watterson


		
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