[extropy-chat] Ultra-hard-line Islam report on bioethics

[Robert Lindauer]

Sorry, you took the bait.  Instead of calling for the resignation of 
your opposing party, you defended them.  You're not even an opposing 
party...

You could have not taken the bait, but you did.  I wasn't surprised, 
but up until then I was at least hopeful.  I thought, maybe, just maybe 
there's a kind-hearted man behind all the lies and hate.  But no, 
there's just a sleazy political apologist doing the dirty work of the 
national machinery.

Just be a republican.  Stop trying to pretend to rebel from your mommy 
and grow up.  Admit you hate poor people and enjoy the ensuing 
satisfaction of watching the organized repression we call government.

Robbie

PS - I'm certainly NOT a liberal!  I can refer you to an excellent book 
by Istvan Meszaros called "The Power of Ideology" - he's a neo-Marxist 
so you're likely not to enjoy it - but remember the maxim "know they 
enemy".  I don't agree with much of what he says, but I agree with the 
generalized outlook of thinking of government as a human phenomena to 
be studied scientifically and ideology as an outgrowth of that 
phenomena.  Where I split from the Marxists is that I don't believe 
that labour is able to effectively organize against capitalistic 
domination and so some variety of Armageddon will eventually result as 
the intrinsic contradictions found within capitalism destroy it from 
the inside - in particular as the attempted legitimization of 
repression continues it will find itself increasingly opposed by the 
enemies it creates and increasingly unable to stave off the throngs of 
disenfranchised people willing and able to turn to violence.  As the 
enemies it creates become, more and more, non-state-like entities they 
will be more difficult to fight because more difficult to identify 
until either an Hitlerian "final solution" will have to be offered by 
the imperialistic side or the terrorism resulting from the enemies 
created in the worldwide labor classes will bring global capitalism to 
a halt (assuming peak oil or some other natural phenomenon doesn't get 
there first).  A little doom and gloom for your sunday evening.


On Jul 24, 2005, at 4:07 PM, Mike Lorrey wrote:

> Thats mighty liberal of you Robbie-boy. Keep that mind open...
>
> --- Robert Lindauer <robgobblin at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I've made it a policy to never read a link sent by you.
>>
>> R
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2005, at 10:01 AM, Mike Lorrey wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Robert Lindauer <robgobblin at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 23, 2005, at 7:26 AM, Mike Lorrey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Joseph Bloch <jbloch at humanenhancement.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  From the folks who want to re-establish the Caliphate and quite
>>>>>> literally conquer the world:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.org/english/books/pdfs/cloning.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oy vey, and here they are on "our side" - and look at the names on
>>>> the roster, a veritable who's who of the Republican Party:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.newamericancentury.org/
>>>>
>>>> Remember, our "them" is their "us".  The first step toward peace
>> is
>>>> recognizing your enemy is relevantly like you.  The most foolish
>>>> mistakes made in war are when you think your enemy isn't
>> relevantly
>>>> like you.
>>>
>>> If you actually read that report, the islamic group is only for
>> fetal
>>> cloning (twins), stem cell therapy, and transplanting non-critical
>>> organs from live persons, everything else, most fertility
>> treatment,
>>> cloning for cryonicists, etc are all Haram. They are not on "our
>> side".
>>>
>>> Mike Lorrey
>>> Vice-Chair, 2nd District, Libertarian Party of NH
>>> "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.
>>> It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
>>>                                       -William Pitt (1759-1806)
>>> Blog: http://intlib.blogspot.com
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> Mike Lorrey
> Vice-Chair, 2nd District, Libertarian Party of NH
> "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.
> It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
>                                       -William Pitt (1759-1806)
> Blog: http://intlib.blogspot.com
>
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