[extropy-chat] Re: LUDDISM: Help keep 'neo-luddism' wikipage up

[Adrian Tymes]

Firebug has a valid point: the page *as currently written* tends to
violate Wikipedia's purpose.

We're not going to win the fight against our enemies by sinking to
their level.  We're trying to prove their ways are wrong; we can't do
that by resorting to their ways ourselves.  Wikipedia is not our tool
first and foremost; it has rules and objectives of its own.  When we
use it, we should play by its rules - and in this case, that includes
openly acknowledging that "neo-luddite" is a label no one applies to
themselves.

Perhaps if you could update the page to detail what
exactly neo-luddites want, and the logical consequences (with labels
like "in the opinion of their detractors", to avoid making statements
of fact except where there really is logical proof).  I've added the
following text as an example:

> Those who are called neo-luddites tend to call themselves greens,
> conservatives, or other labels, but with an anti-technology focus.
> This causes friction with pro-tech greens and others, who sometimes
> cite the negative environmental consequences of neo-luddites' goals
> to challenge their right to call themselves "green".

This is all true and NPOV, as Wikipedia wants.  It also states one of
the main reasons why they are the bad guys: they say they want to help
the environment, but (as pointed out by their opponents) they actually
wind up harming it.

--- Mike Lorrey <mlorrey at yahoo.com> wrote:
> A political vandal and wiki-stalker by the handle "Firebug" is trying
> to get this wike page delted and they've removed the list of
> prominent
> neo-luddites. If you folks have not already, please go to this page,
> see the link to the deletion vote, and help with maintaining and
> protecting this information. Folks from infoshop.org are behind
> trying
> to delete this information from public notice.
> 
> --- mike99 <mike99 at lascruces.com> wrote:
> 
> > I've added a bit to the Right-wing Neo-Luddism section concerning
> the
> > Discovery Institute.
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Michael LaTorra
> > 
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