[extropy-chat] CHINA: Threat proponents not chicken littles...

Mike Lorrey mlorrey at yahoo.com
Fri Jun 10 17:50:45 UTC 2005


Which means you are full of it.

--- Samantha Atkins <sjatkins at mac.com> wrote:

> It is easy enough to find if you wish.  I will not spoon feed you.
> On Jun 10, 2005, at 8:30 AM, Mike Lorrey wrote:
> 
> > "we helped them"? Could you provide details. Last I checked they
> > weren't flying F-16s....
> >
> > --- Samantha Atkins <sjatkins at mac.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> IIRC we helped them build more than a little of that military
> >> capacity so I seriously doubt these claims of surprise.  IMHO, the
> >> only "surprise" is that they may be a bit harder to keep under our
> >> thumb than anticipated.
> >>
> >> - s
> >>
> >> On Jun 9, 2005, at 9:07 AM, Mike Lorrey wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050609-120336-4092r.htm
> >>>
> >>> Analysts missed Chinese buildup
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> By Bill Gertz
> >>> THE WASHINGTON TIMES
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> A highly classified intelligence report produced for the new
> >>>
> >> director
> >>
> >>> of national intelligence concludes that U.S. spy agencies failed
> to
> >>> recognize several key military developments in China in the past
> >>> decade, The Washington Times has learned.
> >>>     The report was created by several current and former
> >>>
> >> intelligence
> >>
> >>> officials and concludes that U.S. agencies missed more than a
> dozen
> >>> Chinese military developments, according to officials familiar
> with
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>> the
> >>> report.
> >>>     The report blames excessive secrecy on China's part for the
> >>> failures, but critics say intelligence specialists are to blame
> for
> >>> playing down or dismissing evidence of growing Chinese military
> >>> capabilities.
> >>>     The report comes as the Bush administration appears to have
> >>>
> >> become
> >>
> >>> more critical of China's military buildup.
> >>>     Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said in Singapore over
> the
> >>> weekend that China has hidden its defense spending and is
> expanding
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>> its
> >>> missile forces despite facing no threats. Secretary of State
> >>> Condoleezza Rice also expressed worries this week about China's
> >>> expanding military capabilities.
> >>>     Among the failures highlighted in the study are:
> >>>     •China's development of a new long-range cruise missile.
> >>>     •The deployment of a new warship equipped with a stolen
> Chinese
> >>> version of the U.S. Aegis battle management technology.
> >>>     •Deployment of a new attack submarine known as the Yuan class
> >>>
> >> that
> >>
> >>> was missed by U.S. intelligence until photos of the submarine
> >>>
> >> appeared
> >>
> >>> on the Internet.
> >>>     •Development of precision-guided munitions, including new
> >>> air-to-ground missiles and new, more accurate warheads.
> >>>     •China's development of surface-to-surface missiles for
> >>>
> >> targeting
> >>
> >>> U.S. aircraft carrier battle groups.
> >>>     •The importation of advanced weaponry, including Russian
> >>> submarines, warships and fighter-bombers.
> >>>     According to officials familiar with the intelligence report,
> >>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>> word "surprise" is used more than a dozen times to describe U.S.
> >>> failures to anticipate or discover Chinese arms development.
> >>>     Many of the missed military developments will be contained in
> >>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>> Pentagon's annual report to Congress on the Chinese military,
> which
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>> was
> >>> due out March 1 but delayed by interagency disputes over its
> >>>
> >> contents.
> >>
> >>>     Critics of the study say the report unfairly blames
> >>>
> >> intelligence
> >>
> >>> collectors for not gathering solid information on the Chinese
> >>>
> >> military
> >>
> >>> and for failing to plant agents in the communist government.
> >>>     Instead, these officials said, the report looks like a bid to
> >>> exonerate analysts within the close-knit fraternity of government
> >>> China
> >>> specialists, who for the past 10 years dismissed or played down
> >>> intelligence showing that Beijing was engaged in a major military
> >>> buildup.
> >>>     "This report conceals the efforts of dissenting analysts [in
> >>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>> intelligence community] who argued that China was a threat," one
> >>> official said, adding that covering up the failure of
> intelligence
> >>> analysts on China would prevent a major reorganization of the
> >>>
> >> system.
> >>
> >>>     A former U.S. official said the report should help expose a
> >>> "self-selected group" of specialists who fooled the U.S.
> government
> >>>
> >> on
> >>
> >>> China for 10 years.
> >>>     "This group's desire to have good relations with China has
> >>> prevented them from highlighting how little they know and
> >>>
> >> suppressing
> >>
> >>> occasional evidence that China views the United States as its
> main
> >>> enemy."
> >>>     The report has been sent to Thomas Fingar, a longtime
> >>>
> >> intelligence
> >>
> >>> analyst on China who was recently appointed by John D.
> Negroponte,
> >>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>> new director of national intelligence, as his office's top
> >>> intelligence
> >>> analyst.
> >>>     Mr. Negroponte has ordered a series of top-to-bottom reviews
> of
> >>> U.S. intelligence capabilities in the aftermath of the critical
> >>>
> >> report
> >>
> >>> by the presidential commission headed by Judge Laurence Silberman
> >>>
> >> and
> >>
> >>> former Sen. Charles Robb, Virginia Democrat.
> >>>     According to the officials, the study was produced by a team
> of
> >>> analysts for the intelligence contractor Centra Technologies.
> >>>     Spokesmen for the CIA and Mr. Negroponte declined to comment.
> >>>     Its main author is Robert Suettinger, a National Security
> >>>
> >> Council
> >>
> >>> staff member for China during the Clinton administration and the
> >>>
> >> U.S.
> >>
> >>> intelligence community's top China analyst until 1998. Mr.
> >>>
> >> Suettinger
> >>
> >>> is traveling outside the country and could not be reached for
> >>>
> >> comment,
> >>
> >>> a spokesman said.
> >>>     John Culver, a longtime CIA analyst on Asia, was the
> co-author.
> >>>     Among those who took part in the study were former Defense
> >>> Intelligence Agency analyst Lonnie Henley, who critics say was
> >>>
> >> among
> >>
> >>> those who in the past had dismissed concerns about China's
> military
> >>>
> >> in
> >>
> >>> the past 10 years.
> >>>     Also participating in the study was John F. Corbett, a former
> >>>
> >> Army
> >>
> >>> intelligence analyst and attache who was a China policy-maker at
> >>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>> Pentagon during the Clinton administration.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mike Lorrey
> >>> Vice-Chair, 2nd District, Libertarian Party of NH
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> >>>
> >>>
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> > Mike Lorrey
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Mike Lorrey
Vice-Chair, 2nd District, Libertarian Party of NH
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.
It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
                                      -William Pitt (1759-1806) 
Blog: http://intlib.blogspot.com


		
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