Stem Cell politics was Re: [extropy-chat] Proposal: was- A Chilling Thought.

Mike Lorrey mlorrey at
Wed May 18 04:08:33 UTC 2005

--- Brett Paatsch <bpaatsch at> wrote:

> Mike Lorrey wrote:
> > I think there are a lot of red staters who are with you on that.
> >
> > What they don't want is their tax dollars spent on particular
> > types of research that involve acts that they consider murder.
> >
> I think that this particular concern is coming from you rather
> than them Mike. (Which is fair enough you are entitled to have
> concerns of your own).

No, it isn't my concern. While I'm pro-choice, I think everybody gets a
choice, and abortion is a choice that should be made along the lines of
a jury choosing the death penalty: with great consideration,
deliberation, and care for ALL concerned. In any pregnancy, there
should properly be three entities with choices: the woman's, the man's,
and the childs. 

Today we think that Roman matrons who told their sons to go off to die
in battle ("come home with your shield or on it"), and Carthaginians
who threw their firstborn into the flaming mouth of Moloch were total
barbarians. Pro-abortionists become irate when pro-lifers truthfully
display actual photography, cardiography, and other records of fetuses
before, during, and after they were aborted. Why are they not proud of
the butchery they do?

I am a hunter. I kill animals. I do not deny or hide the blood and
guts. Unlike abortionists, I do take care that my victims suffer as
little as possible. I am the honest one.

Feminists are arrogant in thinking that only their choice counts, that
they are responsible enough to objectively consider what is best for
their fetus independently of what they feel is best for themselves, and
sexist in asserting that man's choice lasts a few minutes but a woman's
choice lasts 9 months.

Do I object to my tax dollars subsidizing such activities? No, because
I have no choice, my right to choose and my right to keep my property
have been stripped from me by the theivery and thuggery of the state.
They are the criminals and the accessories to death. A crime victim
never gets a choice in the disbursement of that which is stolen from
him. It is enough that I object to being robbed to begin with.

Mike Lorrey
Vice-Chair, 2nd District, Libertarian Party of NH
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.
It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
                                      -William Pitt (1759-1806) 

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