[extropy-chat] Re: Aging as a function of bone marrow degradation

[Jeff Davis]

--- Harvey Newstrom <mail at harveynewstrom.com> wrote:

> Yes, I understood it the first time.  

Apparently not.

> Nothing has changed.  

Indeed, so.  You still don't get it, inventing a
meaning, and a circularity that isn't there.

> I hope I can make myself clear this time.

You were clear the first time.

> 
> Your starting point is; "if I rejuvenated [my] bone
> marrow" 

Right so far.

> Your ending point is: "resulting in rejuvenated bone
> marrow"

No, this is not the ending point.  You misunderstand
in thinking so.  This is **your** restatement of my
starting point, which you have, on your own
initiative, plunked down at this point and attributed
to me as a repetition of my starting point and a
circularity of reasoning. YOU did this,
misunderstanding me.  I did not.

One last time.  If I manipulate my "aged" bone marrow,
so as to cause it to possess once again the
characteristics it had when I was young and spry (this
is the starting part, the "if I rejuvenate my bone
marrow" part),(now here's the ending part) what will
be the consequences for the larger system composed of
my otherwise old body with its now newly "rejuvenated"
bone marrow?

This is not an argument, it is an open-ended question.
 I do not presume to draw a conclusion, nor force one
on anyone else.  I'm just asking a question.  

Clearly I am hoping for, hypothesizing the possibility
of a health-enhancing outcome.  But I am being
cautious, recognizing that the biological system is
quite complex, and that the consequences of such gross
tinkering as suggested by my question may not have the
hoped-for outcome.     

Harvey, you're an exceedingly bright fellow and not
usually this obtuse.  Is something else going on? 
Have I annoyed you?  

Best, Jeff Davis

"Enjoying being insulting is a youthful corruption of
power. You lose your taste for it when you realize how
hard people try, how much they mind, and how long they
remember." 
                            Martin Amis

> 
> Your starting point is the same as your ending
> point.  Your final 
> question is whether you have the thing you started
> with.  No matter how 
> wide the territory in-between, you end up where you
> started.  Hence, a 
> circle.  Your entire if...then...therefore sequence
> is a circular 
> argument where the conclusion statement at the end
> exactly matches your 
> premise statement at the beginning.
> 
> Your logical premise and conclusion boil down to
> "assuming I have X.... 
> do you admit I have X?"  This is a self-defined
> logical construct whose 
> answer must always be "yes".  You answer your final
> question with your 
> beginning premise.  No one can say you can't end up
> with rejuvenated 
> bone marrow, because your first sentence , because
> the premise that is 
> to be assumed answers the question at the end.  It
> is a well-known 
> logical fallacy known as circular logic.
> 
> If you really can't understand the above, then let
> me simply answer 
> your question:
> If you can rejuvenate bone marrow as you say, you
> will indeed end up 
> with rejuvenated bone marrow as you say.
> But if you can't rejuvenate bone marrow as you say,
> then I don't 
> believe you can rejuvenate bone marrow as you say.
> Does that answer your question?
> 
> --
> Harvey Newstrom <HarveyNewstrom.com>
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