[extropy-chat] examples of rational irrationalism
kevin at kevinfreels.com
Fri Dec 8 22:45:57 UTC 2006
Is rational reason rational or should we be rationing reason reasonably?
Sometimes I think that reasoning should be rationed in a way that is
rational and provides a reasonable amount of reason to every reasonable
> On Dec 6, 2006, at 6:39 AM, Lee Corbin wrote:
> > The Avanguardian writes
> >> Al Brooks wrote:
> >>> The question is: do rational reasons exist for
> >>> irrational thinking and behavior that enable one to
> >>> escape irrational reality?
> >> When it comes to rational irrationalism, I think these
> >> guys take the cake:
> >> http://www.vhemt.org/
> > Why do you think that eliminating mankind is necessarily
> > irrational?
> Is rationality a free-floating abstraction disconnected from values,
> what does the valuing and what is considered valuable? How would that
> itself be "rational"?
> > Don't you concur with the (generally accepted
> > here) version of what it means to be rational? Namely,
> > as Rafal put it, "rationality (to use the dictionary meaning)
> > is optimizing behavior to achieve goals". So if your goal
> > is a pristine Earth free of unnatural (i.e. human) effects,
> > then what's irrational about trying to get rid of everyone,
> > including yourself?
> Arbitrary goals that include one's on destruction and destruction of
> one's species are not themselves subject to a meta-judgement as to
> their rationality? Where is the grounding for these abstractions
> being tossed about?
> How can it be rational to claim a naturally evolved species is
> "unnatural"? How can it be rational to destroy the only thing on this
> rock vaguely capable of rationality? Are we so sickened by our dizzy
> - samantha
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