[extropy-chat] Cryonics and uploading

[Tomás Arribas]

2006/2/1, Slawomir:
> That "flow" is an actual *activity* of matter in space-time which is NOT
> information. Yes, you can record each brain state but it would still be just
> a map, not territory.

I don't know much (in fact, nothing) abut neurobiology or whatever,
but I think that maybe an analogy with computers will be good. I'm
sure most of you know of the "hibernation" feature of most modern OS
(Linux and Windows, to put an example). This proccess permits to turn
off a computer completely in the middle of anything, and later restore
your session *exactly* in its former state, allowing you to continue
what you were doing. The proccess is based in saving all the RAM data
in that clock cycle to the hard disk. When you turn on the computer,
that saved information is returned to the RAM, and the computer
continues to run from that state without even knowing it was turned
off at some moment. You saved just information, a map, as you say, a
snapshot of a clock cycle. But even so, when you restore, the flow
continues (even when computers are idle, they're doing *a lot* of
stuff, so a computer turned on has a continuous flow of electrons
inside).

Then, what is the difference between that procces and uploading, or
cryonics? (this gets closer to cryonics in my opinion). Is the
restored session a *different* session of the "original", in any way,
because the continous space-time flow of electrons was shutted of
*completely* during an arbitrary lapse of time?



Tomás



2006/2/1, Heartland <velvethum at hotmail.com>:
> Ben wrote:
> > If a mind and everything in it, including all it's subjective
> > opinions and feelings etc., is indeed information (and we know that
> > information can be completely represented in a digital form), then thats
> > it. That's everything. There is no room left for anything else. At all.
> > Hence, the 'you', the 'life', the 'thread' is all in there, all
> > information. It's absolutely no good saying "yes, but there's still the
> > FLOW of that information, the link to the next brain state, etc.",
> > because all that still boils down to information that can be read,
> > recorded, and reproduced.
>
> That "flow" is an actual *activity* of matter in space-time which is NOT
> information. Yes, you can record each brain state but it would still be just
> a map, not territory.
>
> Slawomir
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