[extropy-chat] Cryonics and uploading

[John K Clark]

"Heartland" <velvethum at hotmail.com>

>  My original mind process has been continuously active since my birth to
> this current moment.

You never sleep?

> Transfers only apply to situations where there have been brakes in the
> continuity of the process.

You could stop a mind for centuries and then start it up again and the mind
would never know as long as you supplied proper inputs to its sense organs;
you could speed it up a billion fold, slow it down or even make it run
backward and the mind would never notice anything odd. A mind, like any
adjective, can exist at any time and at in any place.

> Copy is not the final arbiter here.

Then you have no right to make your previous statement. You admitted that
you could be a copy so your opinion that the you of yesterday has survived
is of no value, he may be dead. And you may not be conscious you just feel
that you're conscious. Pretty dumb don't you think.

> A log tracking space-time trajectories
> of the original mind and copy would be.

First of all a mind is not an object so it has no space time trajectory.
Second of all, even objects often don't have space time trajectories because
they are very fragile things easy to destroy. Just cool down a few billion
atoms until they form a Bose Einstein Condensation and then warm them
up again, the atoms reform but the individual atoms identity and unique
path through space time before the condensate was formed is forever
and irretrievably lost.

> Matter that implements it [mind] does and you only need to track matter.

Mind does not need to know anything about brain, it does not need to know
where it is, when it is, how it works, how many there are, or what it's made
of. It does not even need to know anything about matter.

>> Me:
>>  is the entire map territory business meaningless
>>  when you're talking about information?

>It's meaningless when you're talking about information but a mind is not a
>piece of static information.

Neither is a computer program. I wonder if Windows is a good program, I
don't know because I've never seen the ORIGINAL in Redmond Washington.

    John K Clark