[extropy-chat] Email Postage

[Tomás Arribas]

2006/2/6, Brian Lee <brian_a_lee at hotmail.com>:
> I don't use Yahoo or AOL, but I use Hotmail for a great reason. I have years
> of references to my hotmail address. Since hotmail doesn't support POP, I'm
> stuck checking this address. Therefore, I check this address the most and
> use it the most. As soon as hotmail supports POP, I'll set up Gmail to pull
> down my hotmail addresses and stop using hotmail.


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Tomás



2006/2/6, Brian Lee <brian_a_lee at hotmail.com>:
> I don't use Yahoo or AOL, but I use Hotmail for a great reason. I have years
> of references to my hotmail address. Since hotmail doesn't support POP, I'm
> stuck checking this address. Therefore, I check this address the most and
> use it the most. As soon as hotmail supports POP, I'll set up Gmail to pull
> down my hotmail addresses and stop using hotmail.
>
> I understand this fee as AOL and Yahoo charging external accounts to deliver
> email to AOL/Yahoo accounts. So Exi-chat would pay five cents per email
> delivered to AOL/Yahoo.
>
> I see this as providing little more than letting spammers willing to pay a
> nickel access to my inbox as it will bypass spam filters.
>
> BAL
>
> >From: Robert Bradbury <robert.bradbury at gmail.com>
> >Reply-To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> >To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> >Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Email Postage
> >Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:00:06 -0500
> >
> >I am under the impression that the Yahoo/AOL payment plans are "external"
> >sender pays.  I.e. the payment is for the delivery, not the sending.  (I
> >can't believe any SPAMers would be sending from Yahoo/AOL accounts unless
> >they are compromised systems functioning as bot-relays.)
> >
> >If they want they, as others have suggested, cap the number of "free" sent
> >emails to some number X per day where X is greater than the average a
> >spammer would like to send.  I suspect one has to do blanket spamming over
> >a
> >very short time in order for it to be effective because of the rapid
> >adaptation of the filters.
> >
> >Now, the question would be how many people on the ExI list use Yahoo or AOL
> >for their receiving address (and *why* would you do so when you can switch
> >to Gmail)???.
> >
> >I suspect that what might have to happen is that there be some type of
> >approval process for mailing list senders who have large numbers of
> >Yahoo/AOL subscribers.  Alternatively all incoming mail after some free #
> >of
> >messages gets "delayed" delivery if you haven't paid.  This puts a throttle
> >on the spammers and gives time for the filtering systems to adjust their
> >recognition capabilities and toss the incoming spam.
> >
> >One point to consider is that you are receiving a "free" service (an
> >off-site mailbox and filtering service).  Unless one is arguing that "free
> >lunches" are justified you ultimately have to come up with some way of
> >paying for it.  Its easy enough now for anyone who wants to host a mailing
> >list and/or mailboxes to pickup a remotely located server (e.g.
> >UnixShell.com) for $8+/month.  I don't see citing mailing lists is
> >reasonable reason for objecting to payment for delivery.
> >
> >Robert
>
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