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[Diego Caleiro]

You are still supposing that jupiter brains feelings about other people are 
human feelings, which they are not. Jupiters have not evolved in the 
savannahs ( or however is this word in english). They were never tribal 
hunters, they do not think that it is absurdly necessary to hierarchyse 
people according to any specific quality, including inttelligence, or being 
made of the same stuff as they are.  That is why us, evolutionist 
psychologists are useful for tranhumanism, to avoid this kind of 
misunderstanding. 

I'd bad mouth anyone who lack respect for ones desires about himself, no 
matter the size, average speed, or shape of his brain. 

Diego Caleiro ( Log At) 

Em Sexta 10 Fevereiro 2006 16:03, John K Clark escreveu:
> "Diego Caleiro" <diegocaleiro at terra.com.br>
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> > Supose a jupiter brain not friendly, or as friendly as
> > a pattern human, say, you,  sees you and beleives,
> > for reasons that only his intelligence can understand,
> > that you should be immediately destroyed. Would
> > you accept that?
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> If there were no way I could tell if I had been "destroyed" or not then
> there is no way I could not accept it. Not that it matters what I do or do
> not accept.
>
> > That is what you are saying these super computers will do, take their
> > decisions non-friendly, non- respectfully, regardless of peoples fear of
> > being destroyed during uploading.
>
> Yes, like it or not that is precisely what I am convinced they will do,
> assuming of course they bother to do anything at all with us; certainly we
> could provide nothing of value to them except perhaps a slight bit of
> nostalgia. The one thing in our favor is that to a Jupiter brain uploading
> a frozen body will either be absolutely imposable or absurdly easy.
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> > I'm not implying, in any nanosecond, or other measurement of time, that
> > you are wrong about patterns, only that you do not consider others
> > beleifs.
>
> Me? My beliefs are not important; I have no immediate plans to bring anyone
> back from the dead, that's up to Mr. Jupiter not me. And even a Jupiter
> brain will never be able to prove with absolute certainty who is right in
> this matter; he will never be able to prove he is not and always has been
> the only conscious entity in the universe. However he can do what we do, he
> can determine which idea seems more reasonable.
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> Is it likely that an intelligence that grows and evolves at a colossal rate
> will embrace the infantile idea that atoms, which have no individuality can
> nevertheless confer that property to us? Is it likely that an electronic
> machine that works by manipulating information will conclude that
> information is not important and biology is superior to electronics? Is it
> likely Mr. Jupiter would be comfortable having us exist at the same level
> as his NAND circuits? Is it likely he will grant a wish he considers
> absolutely ridiculous if not downright dangerous when there is an
> alternative that is smarter safer and cheaper?  No, of course not.
>
> And you speak of my arrogance, but I think it is very arrogant indeed as
> well as bad manners to bad mouth Mr. Jupiter for not bringing you back
> exactly as you specified, he is after all under no obligation to do
> anything at all with your frozen body. That's another reason he won't tell
> you you're an upload, he won't want to listen to your complaining. And if
> he doesn't tell you will never know.
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>   John K Clark
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