[extropy-chat] ___ believes in god

[spike]

Peter, you included a person's name in the subject line,
which is usually not acceptable.  You appended a private
communication to a public post, which is never acceptable.

Do desist forthwith, on both.

spike


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From: extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org
[mailto:extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org] On Behalf Of Peter K.
Bertine, Jr
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 5:38 AM
To: 'ExI chat list'
Subject: [extropy-chat] Robert believes in god...

When discussions cross over into the land of "believe me because I say it is
true" that is when the moderators may want to take action (IMO). 
QED

Robert

Pete 

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From: spike [mailto:spike66 at comcast.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:17 PM
To: 'Peter K. Bertine, Jr'
Subject: RE: My rant

Not that I know of.  We have had rants in the past, we generally let
them pass.  spike

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From: Peter K. Bertine, Jr [mailto:pkbertine at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:30 PM
To: 'spike'
Subject: My rant


Spike,

Did I get kicked off the list for my rant?
Robert really pissed me off.
 
 
Peter K.  Bertine, Jr
www.petebertine.com
 
"You are to live and to learn to laugh. You are to learn to listen to the
cursed radio music of life and to reverence the spirit behind it and to
laugh at its distortions. So there you are. More will not be asked of you." 
Mozart in Steppenwolf by Herman Hesse 



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From: extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org
[mailto:extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org] On Behalf Of Robert Bradbury
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:43 AM
To: ExI chat list
Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Please don't feed the trolls!


On 2/14/06, Peter K.  Bertine, Jr <pkbertine at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you BillK !
> 
> New to the list, I was wondering how far the discussion was going to go 
> before someone stepped in and "moderated."
> 
> Until someone introduces an alien to NASA for a debriefing I don't want to
hear another word on the subject.
> 

Peter, until someone comes up with a *really* good explanation for the
"missing mass" you have to admit that our current picture of reality is
quite incomplete.  There is a *very* legitimate argument based on
Lineweaver's work that ~70% of the Earth's in our galaxy are *older* than
ours -- some by billions of years.  I don't have any axe to grind with
regard to whether our specific solar system (or we in it) might or might not
have been created by aliens.  I can make quite valid arguments for (1) why
more advanced civilizations than our probably exist; (2) why they might not
be "here" (the Fermi Paradox) because they migrate to the coldest parts of
the galaxy [1]; and potentially (3) why they might want to create and/or
influence the development of solar systems and/or life within them as
inexpensive sources of experimental information. 

My message earlier this morning pointed out the scientific underpinnings of
Raelian perspectives.  The debate regarding those underpinnings is *still*
ongoing -- though I will admit that right now the "Big Bang"ers have
significantly greater throw weight relative to the "Steady State"ers.  I do
not feel that discussions related to that debate should be off-list topics
because they relate, in part, to "What are the limits of extropic
capabilities?".  As Question #6 in the Matrioshka Brain Paper [2], now
almost a decade old, asked " What do Matrioshka Brains 'think' about?"  An
immediate follow on to that question is "How do they go about optimizing
such thoughts?"  One perfectly legitimate way is to play "god" with solar
systems. 

If you believe that advanced civilizations cannot play "god" with solar
systems then I would like to see some very carefully reasoned arguments as
to precisely why that is the case.

When discussions cross over into the land of "believe me because I say it is
true" that is when the moderators may want to take action (IMO). 

Robert

1. Cirkovic, Milan M.; Bradbury, Robert J.,
"Galactic Gradients, Postbiological Evolution and the Apparent Failure of
SETI"
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-bib_query?bibcode=2 005astro.ph..6110C
2.
http://www.aeiveos.com/~bradbury/MatrioshkaBrains/MatrioshkaBrainsPaper.html