[extropy-chat] The Immortal Class: Admissions Criteria

[giorgio gaviraghi]

Dear Samantha
while I appreciate your comments I want to remind you
that class revolutions or class \religious or
political\economical disputes. leading to terrorism ,
warfare, and other forms of hostility, are amosng us
in every moment of our life.
The entire anti western movement that is actually
alive in the Moslem world is just a form of class war,
in this case fueled by economical\political and
cultural issues upheaval.
How else would you define the antiamerican attitude of
Castro first, now Chaves, Morales and the new
presidents of many latin amereican countries ?
Is a class upheaval.
History has teach us that when there are too big gaps
between populations, while the minority owns the
majority of the wealth and the majority remains the
underdog, there is only one result, a revolution to
change things.
The poor take away from the rich with force waht they
feel is the right of everybody.
For this examples immortality, if feasible , should be
a right for everybody.
Who want it can get it , who don't does not.
Everybody is happy and immortality will not become a
political or class issue.
 
--- Samantha Atkins <sjatkins at mac.com> ha scritto: 

> 
> On May 16, 2006, at 7:58 AM, giorgio gaviraghi
> wrote:
> 
> > I understand your comments and agree on main
> issues
> > but we are talking of a high irrational component.
> > Nobody would have imagined only ten years ago,
> > suicidal attacks by moslem extremists to prove a
> point
> > and keep a political pressure on certain countries
> or
> > societies.
> 
> On the contrary, such tactics have been used for
> centuries including  
> by some countries highly respected today.
> 
> > But such warfare tactic have  become a mainstay of
> the
> > actual way of life and have caused  extreme
> terrorism
> > prevention measures and other factors that have
> deeply
> > affect our everyday life.
> 
> No.  We have chosen some extremes that actually make
> little sense for  
> the real risk or its causes.   Much of the "War on
> Terror" is not in  
> the least about terrorism or preventing it.   The
> actual risk of  
> dying from terrorism is quite small.
> 
> >
> 
> > With the same rationale, an immortality
> possibility,
> > which by technological, economical or other
> conditions
> > will initially have  effect in a limited amount of
> > population, will not only create resentment but
> will
> > be the fuel for more serious class revolutions
> that
> > can affect all of us, and the entire society,
> > jeopardizing the whole project and creating long
> term
> > negative effects.
> 
> Do you actually believe in "class revolution"?  I
> thought that sort  
> of mechanism was exposed as of no real validity long
> ago.
> 
> > And i am not mentioning the immediate ban by such
> > religious groups as the Roman Catholic  Church or
> > others, which will still hopefully remain in a
> > reasonable cultural environment.
> 
> Not sure what you are saying there.  A reasonable
> culture environment  
> includes the RCC or immediate bans?
> 
> > For that reason immortality, as a possibility,
> must
> > be, since the beginning a democratic choice, not
> > limited to any country, group or association.
> 
> Huh?  How does this follow?  It will be a choice,
> when it exists, for  
> those who want ti,  can afford it and get to the
> clinics that offer it.
> 
> > The negative impact of a rejection by the majority
> of
> > the excluded population  can cause a long term
> class
> > warfare and have negative consequences for
> decades, if
> > not for centuries.
> 
> Not likely.  It will not be divvied up on class
> lines at all.
> 
> > The day that immortaity,  a potential immortality
> > possibility, will be available, it must be
> accessible
> > to everybody.
> 
> Or to no one if it cannot be made available for
> everyone?  Is that  
> what you are saying?
> 
> 
> 
> > That is the most important and essential condition
> for
> > its acceptance.
> > --- Anders Sandberg <asa at nada.kth.se> ha scritto:
> >
> 
> I have no idea what if any of this was said by
> Anders.  Please clean  
> up your post.
> 
> - samantha
> 
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