[extropy-chat] Are ancestor simulations immoral?

[A B]

Hi Russell,
   
  I can see why this might cause some confusion. No, it is not completely independent of my subjective experiences. Let's just say that I have experienced more pain in my past, than I ever care to experience again. Furthermore, the world around me seems to be quite saturated with pain experienced by other sentients. I am depending on  future beings to reduce this huge pain surplus in the world and myself, and instead replace it with subjective happiness. If this were never to happen - eg. because this is a simulation and the simulators decide to be assholes - then I would prefer not to exist at all, in the case where I was the only sentient. Assuming that I was only one sentient among many, then I would prefer to exist in order to avoid bringing pain to my family and friends that would follow my death/removal, also because I would want to be able to help reduce pain in others.
   
  Regarding the God question. I don't believe he exists. Let's put it this way, if this Universe as it exists now and as it has existed in the past, was created by an intelligent being, then I can only conclude that he/she/it is unacceptably cruel. My opinion only of course.
   
  Best Wishes,
   
  Jeffrey Herrlich  

Russell Wallace <russell.wallace at gmail.com> wrote:
  On 5/31/06, A B <austriaaugust at yahoo.com> wrote:
        This depends on one factor. If this is a simulation, then either I am the only sentient, or there are multiple to many sentients within it (I think the latter would be more probable). If I am the only sentient, then I say to my simulators: "I would prefer not to be your unequal slave. Please liberate me from this simulation and allow me to live as an equal among you. If you are unwilling to do this, then please end my simulation forthwith and do not implement me again."

  
Now this is a somewhat unusual stance; do I understand correctly that it is completely independent of the actual contents of the simulated world - your subjective experiences - but depends only on the fact of conscious creation?

Switching to a different symbolism, suppose God created the world. In that event, would you prefer God to kill you than to leave you alive? Is it the case that you want to live in a world that was not consciously created (whatever the nature of the world) or not at all?


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