[extropy-chat] Tyranny in place
sjatkins at mac.com
Mon Oct 2 06:32:15 UTC 2006
On Sun, 2006-10-01 at 22:58 -0700, Lee Corbin wrote:
> Russell writes
> > I think the threat of terrorism is greatly overstated, but I agree there is a threat and it has to be fought. It does not at all
> > follow that we in the West should tolerate erosion of our civil liberties by our own governments. It's not just that it's not
> > necessary - _it's also not helpful_. If you have a problem, and you try to solve it by surrendering your freedom, you now have two
> > problems.
> That could be true, but I believe it depends on future events. Do you almost
> daily think about what your reactions would be if a terrorist nuke was to go
> off in a large American city?
Of course not. Do you? What for? Seems like a terrible waste of
emotional energy. There are much more immediate problems and much more
> Do you think that your feelings and intuitions would change at all?
Such hypotheticals are utterly useless to the issues at hand.
> The glorious thing about democracy is that it seems to periodically adjust itself
> in terms of mood just the way that a person does. Right after 9-11, "America"
> as an entity behaved angrily, just as natural selection made people so act.
> There is less cause for anger now. There may be more cause later.
Civil rights will be every bit as important as now. Let's deal with
now, shall we?
> Whatever happens, the choices made will be strongly criticized---which, up to
> a point, is exactly what should happen.
What do you mean "up to a point"? Criticism is always in order in a
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