[ExI] fermi paradox

Kevin Freels kevin at kevinfreels.com
Mon Dec 10 23:15:22 UTC 2007

> Life is not the issue, intelligence is. 
But the intelligence (intelligent life)  is just a subset of life. It is 
still ife we are talking about and it is a solid part of the Drake 
> Life came to the Earth almost as
> soon as the planet was born but during most of its history all it had was
> bacteria; and if you visited the place just a million years ago, which is
> nothing in its 4.5 billion year history, you would find no intelligent
> species.
Right. So you agree. Intelligence may indeed be more rare than the Drake 
equations assume.
>> To get where you are you have to make even more assumptions.
> I am assuming nothing I am just making an observation, I observe that the
> universe has not been engineered and I find that puzzling if intelligence is
> common.
Correct again. So we are both on the same page. Intelligent life is very 
>  If we are not the first then I can only conclude that something
> puts a lid on brain power and prevents it from erecting large scale
> structures. I can speculate but I make no claim to know what that
> something is, it could be that no human mind could understand it.
And here is where you lose me. If we are not the first, we could be 
second. Or 3rd. Or 4th. And they may have been out there for only a 
short time. And maybe the first killed itself off. And maybe the second 
is somewhere near the galaxy's middle and hasn't been around enough to 
really put a dent in it. These aren't specific proofs I am trying to 
make. They are simply illustrations to show that there are countless 
alternatives other than "we are first" and "something puts a lid on it". 
But that's just my opinion. I think this thread has gone on long enough. 
I don't think we're going to come up with anything new that hasn't been 
debated here before. So unless you feel a strong desire to contest my 
points,  we can simply agree to disagree and move on. Cheers.
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