[extropy-chat] Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody
Chris Petersen
moses2k at gmail.com
Mon Feb 5 00:46:30 UTC 2007
Cp'ed Amara's press release to a Technorati WTF.
http://technorati.com/wtf/keith-henson/2007/02/04/anti-scientology-activist-keith-henson-taken-into--1
Forgive the minor formatting annoyances; I was not given the option to
preview. :)
-Chris
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> 1. Re: Digg.com - Re: Keith Henson Taken into Custody (Eugen Leitl)
> 2. Re: Digg.com - Re: Keith Henson Taken into Custody
> (George Dvorsky)
> 3. Re: [wta-talk] Fwd: Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody (gts)
> 4. Re: [wta-talk] Fwd: Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody
> (B.K. DeLong)
> 5. Re: Digg.com - Re: Keith Henson Taken into Custody
> (Bret Kulakovich)
> 6. ATTN: KEITH HENSON LEGAL SUPPORT FUND (Natasha Vita-More)
> 7. Re: Elvis Sightings (Ben Goertzel)
> 8. Re: Fwd: Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody (Gina Miller)
> 9. Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody (Amara Graps)
> 10. Re: [wta-talk] Fwd: Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody
> (Natasha Vita-More)
> 11. Re: Fwd: Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody (Dave Krieger)
> 12. Re: Your message to extropy-chat awaits moderator approval
> (Dave Krieger)
> 13. FWD (Down Syndrome) New column NBICS and Military Products
> out (Terry Colvin)
> 14. Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody- DIGG (Amara Graps)
> 15. Re: Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody- DIGG (Eugen Leitl)
> 16. Re: Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody (TwiceIrish)
> 17. Re: Fwd: Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody (Ricardo Barreira)
> 18. Re: Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody- Advice from Lolits
> (TwiceIrish)
> 19. ATTN: DAY 1 - KEITH HENSON LEGAL SUPPORT FUND (Natasha Vita-More)
> 20. Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody- How to Reach Newspapers
> (Amara Graps)
> 21. Re: Elvis Sightings (John K Clark)
> 22. Re: Your message to extropy-chat awaits moderator approval
> (Jay Dugger)
> 23. Re: Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody (Jay Dugger)
> 24. Re: Elvis Sightings (Damien Broderick)
> 25. Re: Your message to extropy-chat awaits moderator approval
> (Eugen Leitl)
> 26. Re: Elvis Sightings (scerir)
> 27. Re: Elvis Sightings (Damien Broderick)
> 28. String theory testable? (Jeff Davis)
> 29. Elvis Sightings (Amara Graps)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:37:36 +0100
> From: Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org>
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Digg.com - Re: Keith Henson Taken into
> Custody
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> On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 02:48:14PM -0500, Bret Kulakovich wrote:
> >
> > I'm sorta off-net right at the moment but if someone can get to
> > digg.com and "digg" a link to something solid like this blog (not the
>
> I've done it for reddit http://freeculture.reddit.com/info/12pou/comments
> what's the digg URL to mod up?
>
> > wikipedia entry) then I am sure I can get people to "digg" the
> > article to the top of the pile.
> >
> > This is probably his best bet - I'd digg it myself but the CGI won't
> > submit on this mobile.
>
> --
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> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 15:38:48 -0500
> From: "George Dvorsky" <george at betterhumans.com>
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Digg.com - Re: Keith Henson Taken into
> Custody
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> I've added it to Digg. Please Digg it.
> http://digg.com/politics/Scientology_critic_jailed_in_Arizona
>
> On 2/3/07, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 02:48:14PM -0500, Bret Kulakovich wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm sorta off-net right at the moment but if someone can get to
> > > digg.com and "digg" a link to something solid like this blog (not the
> >
> > I've done it for reddit
> http://freeculture.reddit.com/info/12pou/comments
> > what's the digg URL to mod up?
> >
> > > wikipedia entry) then I am sure I can get people to "digg" the
> > > article to the top of the pile.
> > >
> > > This is probably his best bet - I'd digg it myself but the CGI won't
> > > submit on this mobile.
> >
> > --
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> Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 15:41:24 -0500
> From: gts <gts_2000 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] [wta-talk] Fwd: Keith [Henson] Taken into
> Custody
> To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
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> On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 13:07:17 -0500, Robert Bradbury
> <robert.bradbury at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Why is AZ executing a CA bench warrant?
>
> I'm wondering the same.
>
> From what I understand his alleged offense was a misdemeanor, not a
> felony, and this was only a bench warrant anyway. I'm no legal expert but
> I didn't think the feds got involved in such matters.
>
> -gts
>
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:29:17 -0500
> From: "B.K. DeLong" <bkdelong at pobox.com>
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] [wta-talk] Fwd: Keith [Henson] Taken into
> Custody
> To: gts_2000 at yahoo.com, "ExI chat list"
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> Have we generated a list of reporters who have covered this in the
> past? I can track them down. Just need names and publications.
>
> On 2/3/07, gts <gts_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 13:07:17 -0500, Robert Bradbury
> > <robert.bradbury at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Why is AZ executing a CA bench warrant?
> >
> > I'm wondering the same.
> >
> > From what I understand his alleged offense was a misdemeanor, not a
> > felony, and this was only a bench warrant anyway. I'm no legal expert
> but
> > I didn't think the feds got involved in such matters.
> >
> > -gts
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> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:20:54 -0500
> From: Bret Kulakovich <bret at bonfireproductions.com>
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Digg.com - Re: Keith Henson Taken into
> Custody
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>
> Thanks so much George - I've sent it on to the AlcorNewEngland list
> as well as a local Nerds list in the Boston area and a few other pro-
> human cronies as well.
>
> /something to talk about other than ATHF debacle is nice.
>
>
>
> On Feb 3, 2007, at 3:38 PM, George Dvorsky wrote:
>
> > I've added it to Digg. Please Digg it.
> > http://digg.com/politics/Scientology_critic_jailed_in_Arizona
> >
> > On 2/3/07, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:
> >> On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 02:48:14PM -0500, Bret Kulakovich wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm sorta off-net right at the moment but if someone can get to
> >>> digg.com and "digg" a link to something solid like this blog (not
> >>> the
> >>
> >> I've done it for reddit http://freeculture.reddit.com/info/12pou/
> >> comments
> >> what's the digg URL to mod up?
> >>
> >>> wikipedia entry) then I am sure I can get people to "digg" the
> >>> article to the top of the pile.
> >>>
> >>> This is probably his best bet - I'd digg it myself but the CGI won't
> >>> submit on this mobile.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org
> >> ______________________________________________________________
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 17:53:15 -0600
> From: Natasha Vita-More <natasha at natasha.cc>
> Subject: [extropy-chat] ATTN: KEITH HENSON LEGAL SUPPORT FUND
> To: extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org;, cryonet at cryonet.org,
> wta-talk at transhumanism.org, extrobritannia at yahoogroups.com
> Message-ID:
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> Friends,
>
> Within the first hour we have received $350.00 from donations. Please
> help
> by donating any amount you can. Even $5.00 will help. This is a great
> start!
>
>
> "We are providing Extropy Institute's website as a location to send
> donations in support of Keith. You can locate the donation page here:
> http://www.extropy.org or go directly here:
> http://www.extropy.org/membership.htm "
>
> Many thanks,
> Natasha
>
>
> <http://www.natasha.cc/>Natasha <http://www.natasha.cc/>Vita-More
> Design Media Artist - Futurist
> PhD Candidate,
> <http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/researchcover/rcp.asp?pagetype=G&page=273
> >Planetary
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> Member, <http://www.profuturists.com/>Association of Professional
> Futurists
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>
> If you draw a circle in the sand and study only what's inside the circle,
> then that is a closed-system perspective. If you study what is inside the
> circle and everything outside the circle, then that is an open system
> perspective. - Buckminster Fuller
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> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 20:08:42 -0500
> From: Ben Goertzel <ben at goertzel.org>
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Elvis Sightings
> To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
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>
> Yes, but in the case of CF, many of the replicators have been
> respected scientists at decent universities... not just crackpots in
> science fair experiments...
>
> I don't really care about theoretical questions about hypothetical
> situations, I'm more interesting in talking about the details of this
> particular case, which you are not informed about...
>
> Ben
>
>
>
> On Feb 3, 2007, at 1:02 PM, John K Clark wrote:
>
> > "Ben Goertzel" <ben at goertzel.org>
> >
> >> The experiments are simple but hard to get right
> >
> > One of the greatest understatements of all time! A simple well
> > publicized
> > experiment that was true but imposable to confirm for 17 years
> > would be
> > unprecedented in Science, at least for the last few centuries; I
> > think you'd
> > have to go back to Hero of Alexandria's steam engine or the Baghdad
> > battery,
> > and even then they weren't really well publicized.
> >
> > Ben, let me ask you a purely theoretical question, suppose two
> > fairly well
> > respected scientists had performed a simple experiment and claimed a
> > revolutionary result, and suppose, just for the sake of argument
> > they were
> > wrong. What do you imagine the results would be 17 years later? I
> > would
> > think crackpots would still be repeating it in science fair
> > experiments and
> > they would still be claiming revolutionary results, and I would
> > imagine real
> > scientists would have forgotten about the entire sorry fiasco and
> > moved on
> > to more productive things. Does any of this sound familiar?
> >
> > John K Clark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 19:43:43 -0800
> From: "Gina Miller" <nanogirl at halcyon.com>
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Fwd: Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody
> To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
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>
> Hi guys, to contribute, I spent the day making banners for Keith.These
> animated gifs are available to you to post on your website, pass around or
> forward in support of Keith. They are in various sizes, large, medium and
> small. Now I recommend the gifs - they have a real punch, but just in case
> you need jpgs, they are available for you as well. These are all in one
> place for you, here: http://nanogirl.com/keith/
>
> I tried to make the model as much to Keith's likeness as I can, I'm not
> sure
> about his eyecolor but the most important point of the banner is the
> message
> and I think that is clear.
>
> You may pass the banners and the above link to whomever you like - however
> if it is to press let me know. I know this banner is a small gesture, but
> I
> hope it helps in spreading the word and gathering support. All our best to
> Arel.
>
> Keith - we are keeping our fingers crossed for you.
>
> Gina "Nanogirl" Miller
> www.nanogirl.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 09:03:37 +0100
> From: Amara Graps <amara at amara.com>
> Subject: [extropy-chat] Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody
> To: extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
> Message-ID: <p06230900c1eb4239554a@[23.237.66.13]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>
>
> I looked at the alt.religion.scientology newsgroup for the first time in
> my life. Not recommended. But Keith is mentioned by his supporters in
> there, among that other stuff. To raise media awareness, these are the
> valuable pieces of information that I saw posted in the newsgroup from
> two persons (John Dorsay and Eldon).
>
> The jail has a media contact person (who would've thought?), named Susan
> Quayle who will be at these numbers Monday morning, Arizona time.
>
> Therefore if you're a media person, use this.
> 928-777-1924
> 928-771-3286
>
> Main points about his legal status:
>
> 1. Keith was convicted of a misdemeanor offense in California. Can
> a person be extradited from Arizona for a misdemeanor conviction?
>
> 2. Keith was convicted of "interfering with a religion", an offense
> which is (as far as I know), unique to California. Can a person be
> extradited from Arizona when he has not done anything that would be
> considered illegal in Arizona?
>
> 3. The judge prohibited Keith from presenting a proper and complete
> defense. Will this fact be considered when a decision is made about
> extradition?
>
> (Jay, can you post this to your blog, under title: "Points for the Media"
> ?)
>
> Amara
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 11:55:15 -0600
> From: Natasha Vita-More <natasha at natasha.cc>
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] [wta-talk] Fwd: Keith [Henson] Taken into
> Custody
> To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
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> I don't know. Shall we create one? I can email Arel and get her input.
>
> Natasha
>
> At 11:51 AM 2/3/2007, you wrote:
> >Natasha - do we have a good, one-paragraph summary detailing Keith's
> >contributions to the Transhumanisim movement?
> >
> >Might give a bit more relevance to a posting on all our respective
> >blogs & sites.
> >
> >On 2/3/07, Natasha Vita-More <natasha at natasha.cc> wrote:
> > >
> > > At 07:17 AM 2/3/2007, George Dvorsky wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I just got this very disturbing email from Arel. Please do what you
> can to
> > > help.
> > > Keith is a long, long time friend of many and this community and we
> > must do
> > > what we can to help him and Arel.
> > >
> > > Natasha
> > >
> > > Natasha Vita-More Design Media Artist - Futurist PhD Candidate,
> Planetary
> > > Collegium Proactionary Principle Core Group, Extropy Institute Member,
> > > Association of Professional Futurists Founder, Transhumanist Arts &
> Culture
> > >
> > > If you draw a circle in the sand and study only what's inside the
> circle,
> > > then that is a closed-system perspective. If you study what is inside
> the
> > > circle and everything outside the circle, then that is an open system
> > > perspective. - Buckminster Fuller
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
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> PhD Candidate,
> <http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/researchcover/rcp.asp?pagetype=G&page=273
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> Futurists
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>
> If you draw a circle in the sand and study only what's inside the circle,
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> perspective. - Buckminster Fuller
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> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 23:45:58 -0800
> From: "Dave Krieger" <davekrieger at pobox.com>
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Fwd: Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody
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> The oldest old-timers might recognize my name. Keith's arrest was just
> brought to my attention and I just caught up on the thread on the web
> archive. I wanted to raise a couple of points about Scientology that I
> haven't seen mentioned yet:
>
> First, please remember that Scientology is big on infiltration, and if
> they identify the mailing list (and ExI) as the nexus of assistance
> for Keith, they are likely to assign some of their operatives to
> gather intelligence and inject noise... potentially, an incapacitating
> level of noise. I'm glad to see that my attempt to post as a
> non-member was rejected, but it may be also be prudent to change the
> subscription policy to require approval for a while. The public web
> archive should remain available, as it's a useful way to rally the
> non-subscriber troops (like me), but any information that could be
> useful to Scientology should definitely be kept to out-of-band email.
>
> Members should disregard any posts from anyone they don't know by
> reputation (including me ;-) and in particular avoid assigning any
> responsibility to any "volunteers" who aren't well-known within the
> list.
>
> Second, I saw some references to Keith's Wikipedia article as a
> proposed resource to provide to news media. Scientology may target the
> article for vandalism (in fact I'm surprised they haven't already, but
> then they never have had much 'net savvy); it may be best to
> preemptively request that the article be locked.
>
> dk
> Simpletoneity, n. The phenomenon of many people doing the same stupid
> thing all at once.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 23:50:08 -0800
> From: "Dave Krieger" <davekrieger at pobox.com>
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Your message to extropy-chat awaits
> moderator approval
> To: "extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Ah, list moderation... even better. Nice to see all those lessons we
> learned back in the early '90's took. :-D
>
> dk
> Deathicate, v. To speak in opposition to life extension, cryonics,
> etc. "Guests are asked to refrain from deathicating in the pool."
>
>
> On 2/3/07, extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org
> <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> > Your mail to 'extropy-chat' with the subject
> >
> > Re: Fwd: Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody
> >
> > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
> >
> > The reason it is being held:
> >
> > Post to moderated list
> >
> > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
> > notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel
> > this posting, please visit the following URL:
> >
> >
> http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/confirm.cgi/extropy-chat/6f2e19ee245accd3e62aac7d8bb6c301440bccc3
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:53:20 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> From: Terry Colvin <fortean1 at mindspring.com>
> Subject: [extropy-chat] FWD (Down Syndrome) New column NBICS and
> Military Products out
> To: "tlc-brotherhood at nexus.net" <tlc-brotherhood at nexus.net>
> Message-ID:
> <
> 31485175.1170298401260.JavaMail.root at mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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> -----Forwarded Message-----
> >
> >An overview article describing nano-weapons programs in several countries
> >is the first one I have seen.
> >
> >Terry
> >
> >
> >-----Forwarded Message-----
> >>From: Gregor Wolbring
> >>Sent: Jan 30, 2007 5:47 PM
> >>To: DOWN-SYN at LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU
> >>Subj: New column NBICS and Military Products out
> >>
> >><
> http://www.innovationwatch.com/choiceisyours/choiceisyours-2007-01-30.htm>
> >>
> >>
> >>Cheers
> >>Gregor
> >
> >
> >Terry W. Colvin
> >Sierra Vista, Arizona
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 12:55:28 +0100
> From: Amara Graps <amara at amara.com>
> Subject: [extropy-chat] Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody- DIGG
> To: extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
> Message-ID: <p06230901c1eb79a75324@[23.237.66.13]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>
> Don't forget to 'digg' the article. Registration on digg is simple.
>
> http://digg.com/politics/Scientology_critic_jailed_in_Arizona
>
> Amara
>
> --
>
> Amara Graps, PhD www.amara.com
> INAF Istituto di Fisica dello Spazio Interplanetario (IFSI), Roma, ITALIA
> Associate Research Scientist, Planetary Science Institute (PSI), Tucson
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 13:09:50 +0100
> From: Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org>
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody- DIGG
> To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Message-ID: <20070204120950.GI21677 at leitl.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 12:55:28PM +0100, Amara Graps wrote:
> > Don't forget to 'digg' the article. Registration on digg is simple.
> >
> > http://digg.com/politics/Scientology_critic_jailed_in_Arizona
>
> Great, and it made the reddit front page, too:
> http://reddit.com/
>
> #7 right now.
>
> --
> Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 05:40:45 -0600
> From: "TwiceIrish" <TwiceIrish at usflagdepot.com>
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody
> To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Message-ID: <01ef01c74851$4e9de530$6401a8c0 at TwiceIrish>
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>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amara Graps" <amara at amara.com>
> To: <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 2:03 AM
> Subject: [extropy-chat] Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody
>
>
> >
> > I looked at the alt.religion.scientology newsgroup for the first time in
> > my life. Not recommended. But Keith is mentioned by his supporters in
> > there, among that other stuff. To raise media awareness, these are the
> > valuable pieces of information that I saw posted in the newsgroup from
> > two persons (John Dorsay and Eldon).
>
> It's a strange newsgroup, hard to decipher for the uninitiated.
>
> Keith has many supporters many are working diligently to help him.
>
>
> >
> > The jail has a media contact person (who would've thought?), named Susan
> > Quayle who will be at these numbers Monday morning, Arizona time.
> >
> > Therefore if you're a media person, use this.
> > 928-777-1924
> > 928-771-3286
>
> I believe there is a typo here. The correct number is perhaps
> 928-771-1924.
>
> The phone numbers should be checked more thoroughly before being posted
> anywhere else.
>
>
> (snip)
>
> ~Shirley
>
> Shirley Dalzell
> U.S. Flag Depot, Inc.
> www.usflag.org
> www.usflagdepot.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:20:19 +0100
> From: "Ricardo Barreira" <rbarreira at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Fwd: Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody
> To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Message-ID:
> <5df798750702040520y3249b07ege35087a483f4cddc at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hello,
>
> An important problem is that no mainstream media has picked up any
> news on this yet. I wanted to try submitting a story on this to
> slashdot, but would like to do it with a link to a respectful news
> website.
>
> People who can contact respectful journalists to run this, please do!
>
> Regards,
> Ricardo Barreira
>
> On 2/4/07, Dave Krieger <davekrieger at pobox.com> wrote:
> > The oldest old-timers might recognize my name. Keith's arrest was just
> > brought to my attention and I just caught up on the thread on the web
> > archive. I wanted to raise a couple of points about Scientology that I
> > haven't seen mentioned yet:
> >
> > First, please remember that Scientology is big on infiltration, and if
> > they identify the mailing list (and ExI) as the nexus of assistance
> > for Keith, they are likely to assign some of their operatives to
> > gather intelligence and inject noise... potentially, an incapacitating
> > level of noise. I'm glad to see that my attempt to post as a
> > non-member was rejected, but it may be also be prudent to change the
> > subscription policy to require approval for a while. The public web
> > archive should remain available, as it's a useful way to rally the
> > non-subscriber troops (like me), but any information that could be
> > useful to Scientology should definitely be kept to out-of-band email.
> >
> > Members should disregard any posts from anyone they don't know by
> > reputation (including me ;-) and in particular avoid assigning any
> > responsibility to any "volunteers" who aren't well-known within the
> > list.
> >
> > Second, I saw some references to Keith's Wikipedia article as a
> > proposed resource to provide to news media. Scientology may target the
> > article for vandalism (in fact I'm surprised they haven't already, but
> > then they never have had much 'net savvy); it may be best to
> > preemptively request that the article be locked.
> >
> > dk
> > Simpletoneity, n. The phenomenon of many people doing the same stupid
> > thing all at once.
> > _______________________________________________
> > extropy-chat mailing list
> > extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
> > http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 08:20:40 -0600
> From: "TwiceIrish" <TwiceIrish at usflagdepot.com>
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody- Advice
> from Lolits
> To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Message-ID: <02a301c74867$a6429040$6401a8c0 at TwiceIrish>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> (This is advice from LOLITS, a representative of LOLITS is watching the
> current situation of Keith too. )
>
>
> Bob wrote:
>
> People who care about someone in Keith's situation must contact the jail
> authorities and present their concerns.the more letters the better. Let
> them
> know that political, activist and jail/prison reformers are watching
> closely
> to see how the inmate is treated, i.e. does he receive prescribed
> medication, protection from other inmates, etc. Have someone from a
> friendly
> media source phone or inquire as to possibly interviewing Keith. Whether
> they intend to or not, jail officials are now very concerned about media
> oversight about their operation(s).
> Constant vigilance is what is going to be needed. Mention group names,
> like
> the LOLITS, and others you find on the internet in your communication with
> the jail administration. If he has received threats - with or without
> evidence - make the officials aware of that and of your concern. Let them
> know immediately should anything happen that Keith has friends who will
> follow up on any harm that comes to him with a media and political blitz
> about how they failed to keep him safe.
>
>
> Bob - Everything Military
>
> --
>
> ~Shirley
> Shirley Dalzell
> U.S. Flag Depot, Inc.
> www.usflag.org
> www.usflagdepot.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 09:21:38 -0600
> From: Natasha Vita-More <natasha at natasha.cc>
> Subject: [extropy-chat] ATTN: DAY 1 - KEITH HENSON LEGAL SUPPORT FUND
> To: extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org;, cryonet at cryonet.org,
> wta-talk at transhumanism.org, extrobritannia at yahoogroups.com
> Cc: RU Sirius <rusirius at well.com>
> Message-ID:
> <6.2.1.2.2.20070204091652.044ab5f8 at pop-server.austin.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Friends,
>
> On first day of this campaign we raised $930.00 in donations! Thank
> you! Please forward this to anyone and everyone.
>
> "We are providing Extropy Institute's website as a location to send
> donations in support of Keith. You can locate the donation page here:
> http://www.extropy.org or go directly here:
> http://www.extropy.org/membership.htm "
>
> Please help by donating any amount you can. Even $5.00 will help.
>
> Many thanks,
> Natasha
>
>
> <http://www.natasha.cc/>Natasha <http://www.natasha.cc/>Vita-More
> Design Media Artist - Futurist
> PhD Candidate,
> <http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/researchcover/rcp.asp?pagetype=G&page=273
> >Planetary
> Collegium
> Proactionary Principle Core Group, <http://www.extropy.org/>Extropy
> <http://www.extropy.org/>Institute
> Member, <http://www.profuturists.com/>Association of Professional
> Futurists
> Founder, <http://www.transhumanist.biz/>Transhumanist Arts & Culture
>
> If you draw a circle in the sand and study only what's inside the circle,
> then that is a closed-system perspective. If you study what is inside the
> circle and everything outside the circle, then that is an open system
> perspective. - Buckminster Fuller
>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:43:40 +0100
> From: Amara Graps <amara at amara.com>
> Subject: [extropy-chat] Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody- How to
> Reach Newspapers
> To: extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
> Message-ID: <p06230901c1ebae00980b@[23.237.66.13]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>
> Ricardo Barreira rbarreira at gmail.com :
> >Hello,
>
> >An important problem is that no mainstream media has picked up any
> >news on this yet. I wanted to try submitting a story on this to
> >slashdot, but would like to do it with a link to a respectful news
> >website.
>
> >People who can contact respectful journalists to run this, please do!
>
> >Regards,
> >Ricardo Barreira
>
> It's a shame that Boing Boing are choosing not to step into this fire.
> Understandable, perhaps. Others are working on trying to reach
> 'respectable media'.
>
> I've sent the below to a couple of different people at a large Arizona
> newspaper. If you fill in your particular slant on this, customizing it
> as you like, then more newspapers, can be covered. Choose from the list
> of newspapers here, and begin. Go to particular people listed at the
> 'Contact' who work at News desks and Features desks and address them
> by name in your email.
>
> California and Arizona Newspapers
> http://www.50states.com/news/arizona.htm
> http://www.50states.com/news/calif.htm
>
>
> Amara
>
> ============ FILL IN and email ========================================
>
> Dear XXX
>
> I am a reader of your newspaper XXX. This email is to alert you to a
> story you or your colleagues may be interested in covering. I've
> collected the relevant points into a press release, below. If you have
> questions, you can reach me at this email or XXX (phone). You can gain
> more information from Arel Lucas [(928) 445-4412 or (323) 712-5492], as
> well.
>
> I've known Keith for XXX years as an accomplished scientist, engineer
> and futurist. He's in a bad situation and any media coverage that your
> newspaper could put towards his story may just protect him from what he
> and his family fear most.
>
> Sincerely yours,
> YOU
> Your email
>
>
> Anti-Scientology activist Keith Henson taken into custody
>
>
> Keith Henson, an outspoken anti-Scientology activist, was arrested last
> Friday (February 2) night by Prescott, Arizona Police (928) 771-3286,
> and is currently being held at the Prescott Detention Center in
> Arizona [1]. His wife, Arel Lucas, says she is unsure why he was stopped,
> but upon checking his Canadian driver's license, he taken into custody
> on a 6-year old bench warrant issued by a Riverside County, California
> judge. He is slated to appear before a judge on Monday February 5,
> regarding a Riverside County (Scientology related) warrant [2].
>
> Henson's troubles began in 2001 when he was convicted of "interfering
> with a religion", a misdemeanor under California law, for picketing
> outside Scientology's facility in Hemet, California. He left to Canada
> before serving any time after receiving a number of death threats. He
> was deported from Canada in 2005 after his asylum bid was rejected. His
> location until February 2, 2007 was unknown. His legal situation since
> 2001 raises questions regarding the influence of the Church of
> Scientology (CoS) over Riverside County's judicial system and the
> changes in Canada's position on Keith's refugee status after 9-11. His
> present situation raises more legal points [3].
>
> Lucas strongly suspects that the Church of Scientology is involved in
> Henson's current incarceration and fears for both his life and her own.
> The death threats have been constant since 2001. Scientology's power and
> reach has become considerable in recent years, leading to accusations
> that it is not so much a cult as it is an organized crime outfit that
> disguises itself as a religious organization.
>
>
> Learn more about Keith Henson and his situation
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> Arel Lucas, wife of Keith Henson: (928) 445-4412 or (323) 712-5492.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Henson
> http://freekeithhenson.blogspot.com/
> http://digg.com/politics/Scientology_critic_jailed_in_Arizona
> http://www.jefallbright.net/keith_henson
>
> Some background on CoS here
>
> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-scientology18dec18,0,2963052.story?coll=la-homepage-calendar-widget
>
>
> [1] Yavapai County Government: Clerk of Superior Court
> 120 S Cortez St
> Prescott, AZ 86303
> (928) 771-3312
> http://ww2.co.yavapai.az.us/departments/Sct/SctHome.asp
>
> He is case number 389486 and booked under his full name, Howard
> Keith Henson.
>
> [2] The jail has a media contact person, named Susan Quayle, who will be
> at these numbers Monday morning, Arizona time.
> 928-777-1924
> 928-771-3286
>
> [3] Main points about his legal status:
> 1. Keith was convicted of a misdemeanor offense in California. Can
> a person be extradited from Arizona for a misdemeanor conviction?
>
> 2. Keith was convicted of "interfering with a religion", an offense
> which is (as far as I know), unique to California. Can a person be
> extradited from Arizona when he has not done anything that would be
> considered illegal in Arizona?
>
> 3. The judge prohibited Keith from presenting a proper and complete
> defense. Will this fact be considered when a decision is made about
> extradition?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 12:00:12 -0500
> From: "John K Clark" <jonkc at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Elvis Sightings
> To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Message-ID: <001901c7487d$fac14330$35074e0c at MyComputer>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> "Ben Goertzel" <ben at goertzel.org>
>
> > many of the replicators have been respected
> > scientists at decent universities
>
> And yet these respected scientists at decent universities prefer to be
> published in Spoon Bending Digest rather than Nature or Science. How odd.
>
> John K Clark
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:23:17 -0600
> From: "Jay Dugger" <jay.dugger at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Your message to extropy-chat awaits
> moderator approval
> To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Message-ID:
> <5366105b0702040923k32465d50uc5002f929fea611e at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> 11:21 Sunday, 4 February 2007
>
> On 2/4/07, Dave Krieger <davekrieger at pobox.com> wrote:
> > Ah, list moderation... even better. Nice to see all those lessons we
> > learned back in the early '90's took. :-D
> >
>
> Only user error, I fear. I meant to send a screen shot to Robert, but
> hit "Reply to all" by accident. This sent it to the list, and the list
> manager rejected an oversized attachement.
>
>
>
> --
> Jay Dugger
> http://jaydugger.suprglu.com
> Sometimes the delete key serves best.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:40:53 -0600
> From: "Jay Dugger" <jay.dugger at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Keith [Henson] Taken into Custody
> To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Message-ID:
> <5366105b0702040940q19b48df5mfcac97f1261cc334 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> 11:39 Sunday, 4 February 2007
>
> On 2/4/07, TwiceIrish <TwiceIrish at usflagdepot.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Amara Graps" <amara at amara.com>
> [snip]
>
> > > Therefore if you're a media person, use this.
> > > 928-777-1924
> > > 928-771-3286
> >
> > I believe there is a typo here. The correct number is perhaps
> 928-771-1924.
> >
> > The phone numbers should be checked more thoroughly before being posted
> > anywhere else.
> >
> >
> > (snip)
> >
> > ~Shirley
>
>
> I can verify the second phone number reaches the Prescott Detention
> Center. I'll post all of these after I verify the first number.
> --
> Jay Dugger
> http://jaydugger.suprglu.com
> Sometimes the delete key serves best.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 12:00:41 -0600
> From: Damien Broderick <thespike at satx.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Elvis Sightings
> To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070204115133.021e83b0 at satx.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> At 12:00 PM 2/4/2007 -0500, John K Clark wrote:
> >"Ben Goertzel" <ben at goertzel.org>
> >
> > > many of the replicators have been respected
> > > scientists at decent universities
> >
> >And yet these respected scientists at decent universities prefer to be
> >published in Spoon Bending Digest rather than Nature or Science. How odd.
>
> It would only be odd if Nature and Science did not have a policy in
> place of refusing to consider papers on this topic, since the topic
> is agreed to be MEGA-BULLSHIT. There must be a way for controversial
> claims to break through such an impasse, but it's not obvious how.
> Presumably if any of the researchers ever develop a highly reliable
> fuel cell and put it on the market without getting successfully
> prosecuted for fraud, there'll be some mild throat-clearing and the
> papers will start to appear. Nothing succeeds like excess
> (heat)--although it took long enough for the greenhouse effect to be
> accepted.
>
> Damien Broderick
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:22:50 +0100
> From: Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org>
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Your message to extropy-chat awaits
> moderator approval
> To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Message-ID: <20070204192250.GP21677 at leitl.org>
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> On Sun, Feb 04, 2007 at 11:23:17AM -0600, Jay Dugger wrote:
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> > Only user error, I fear. I meant to send a screen shot to Robert, but
>
> Nope, no user error.
>
> > hit "Reply to all" by accident. This sent it to the list, and the list
> > manager rejected an oversized attachement.
>
> All new users are on moderation by default. Size limits are orthogonal to
> that.
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> Message: 26
> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:32:05 +0100
> From: "scerir" <scerir at libero.it>
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Elvis Sightings
> To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
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> the Italian National Agency for the New Technologies,
> Energy and the Environmental (ENEA)
> http://www.frascati.enea.it/nhe/index-eng.htm
> has a (slow) page about cold fusion
> (last update: 2003) and this paper
>
> A.De Ninno, A. Frattolillo, A. Rizzo,
> E. del Giudice, G. Preparata
> "Experimental evidence of 4He production
> in a cold fusion experiment"
> RT/2002/41/FUS
> http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DeNinnoAexperiment.pdf.
> www.fusione.enea.it/pubblications/TR/2002/RT-2002-41-FUS.pdf
>
> They write, at the end, "The presence of 4He provides
> evidence that a nuclear process occurred in the cell;
> a nuclear reaction has been obtained with purely chemical
> procedures."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 27
> Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 13:44:01 -0600
> From: Damien Broderick <thespike at satx.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [extropy-chat] Elvis Sightings
> To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
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> At 08:32 PM 2/4/2007 +0100, Serafino wrote:
>
> >the Italian National Agency for the New Technologies,
> >Energy and the Environmental (ENEA)
> >http://www.frascati.enea.it/nhe/index-eng.htm
> >has a (slow) page about cold fusion
> >(last update: 2003)
>
> Yeah, latest news page update seems to be 2003. And yet they haven't
> repudiated their earlier reports.
>
> Is this a govt supported lab?
>
> Damien Broderick
>
>
>
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> Message: 28
> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 13:19:54 -0700
> From: "Jeff Davis" <jrd1415 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [extropy-chat] String theory testable?
> To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
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> Extropes,
>
> I've never felt encouraged that the extra dimensions of string theory
> would be detectable/accessible from our "dimensional level" of
> reality. My (barely dilettante-level) impression was that
> substantially more energy (orders of magnitude?) would be needed to
> "blast open" the subject "extra-dimensional" structures than was
> available using current particle-physics high-energy collision gear.
>
> So the following article --hope it's more than fluff -- came as a
> pleasant surprise:
>
> Physicists find way to 'see' extra dimensions
> http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-02/uow-pfw020207.php
>
> The researchers use the big bang itself to provide the requisite
> energy, and the heavens themselves as the data recording "device".
> Gives new meaning to the credo of proto-extropians past:
>
> "A sentient being's reach should exceed ver grasp, or what's a heaven
> for?"
>
> Robert Browning (mostly)
>
> --
> Best, Jeff Davis
>
> "Everything's hard till you
> know how to do it."
> Ray Charles
>
>
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> Message: 29
> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 21:32:32 +0100
> From: Amara Graps <amara at amara.com>
> Subject: [extropy-chat] Elvis Sightings
> To: extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
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> Damien Broderick thespike at satx.rr.com
> >Is this a govt supported lab?
>
> Yes. (ENEA-Frascati is five minutes away, do you want a picture ? :-) )
>
> "Supported", as in 'adequate money for the Italian scientists and their
> research' is, however, a debatable topic (for all Italian government
> supported laboratories).
>
> Amara
>
>
> --
>
> Amara Graps, PhD www.amara.com
> INAF Istituto di Fisica dello Spazio Interplanetario (IFSI), Roma, ITALIA
> Associate Research Scientist, Planetary Science Institute (PSI), Tucson
>
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