[ExI] Psi quantum observation experiment
thespike at satx.rr.com
Fri Jun 29 21:51:13 UTC 2007
At 07:50 AM 6/29/2007 -0400, Mike Dougherty wrote:
>On 6/29/07, John K Clark <jonkc at att.net> wrote:
> > One truck
> > driver I've never heard of is approved by another truck driver I've never
> > heard of and the results are printed on Truck Drivers Digest...
> > Sorry, as hard as I try I just can't manage to get excited by this stuff.
>On the contrary, you seem compelled to comment on this topic every
>time it comes up. To use your analogy; it appears that although you
>are not a truck driver, do not know any truck drivers and have little
>interest in truck driver related issues, but you are adamantly opposed
>to truck drivers' discussion where you might access it.
Spot-on, Mike. But--
I can understand and even sympathize with John's vexation. It's the
way I'd feel if Eliezer suddenly started posting about the wondrous
insights of the Bible Code. (Especially since I quoted JKC copiously
throughout THE SPIKE, under the nym "Pelagius", as the champion of an
extropic view of molecular nanotech.) On the other hand, if Eliezer
*did* do that, I'd probably swallow hard and at least consider his
arguments, read his sources, and try to dispute with him if I remain skeptical.
John's position is pretty much the mirror image of the denunciation I
received on amazon.com by some, uh, nitwit:
"Unfortunately, the book is freighted with a lot of unpleasant
baggage that stems from Broderick's obvious position as a skeptical
materialist without a speck of the spiritual in him. He spends much
of his time on a kind of People magazine-esque look at the odd
personalities involved in psi research instead of the data. He's
snide, smug and dismissive about aspects of the psi subculture that
he's clearly decided a priori are the realm of New Age loonies:
survival of consciousness, a holistic universe, and so on. And he's
aghast at anything that smacks of the spiritual (even if it has
nothing to do with religion). He spends much of the latter half of
the book trying to rationalize his way out of the idea that according
to quantum theory, a conscious observer is indeed necessary to create
reality, a fact that is supported by the latest experiments by Anton
Zeilinger at the University of Vienna.
"When confronted by any whiff of holism, zero point energy or
anything else speculative, no matter how compelling, Broderick
resorts to phrases like "horrifying" and "makes the hair stand up on
the back of my neck." He comes off sounding like a dogmatic
rationalist skeptic who was forced backward into belief about psi by
the mountain of evidence, but cannot bend his mind around any other
possibilities, even if there is good evidence to suggest they might
be true.... Broderick is a thoroughgoing materialist and won't even
consider the possibility. Skepticism and rigorous thinking are vital
in these areas, because there is a lot of quantum nonsense and
wishful thinking out there. But cynicism is more appropriate to Randi
and his unsavory crowd of scoffers. The author drips with barely
concealed contempt for some of the ideas presented in his book, and
every time he showed such an attitude I wanted to fling the book
across the room."
Guess that guy must be a Truckdriver. :)
By the way, back in the day when EvMick was posting on extropes,
dissing truck drivers would have been potentially hazardous to one's health.
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