[extropy-chat] Precognition on TV

Ben Goertzel ben at goertzel.org
Fri Mar 16 05:00:06 UTC 2007

FYI, my views on psi are not that far off from Damien's. 

I haven't studied the literature nearly as much as him, but what I have 
studied leads me to believe that there
are probably some real but weak effects here.

I am not highly confident of this by any means, but I certainly don't 
think the topic warrants the
brusque dismissals it commonly receives.

-- Ben

Damien Broderick wrote:
> At 09:08 PM 3/15/2007 -0700, Eliezer wrote:
>>>> Actually my head would probably explode on that one too, unless there's
>>>> some reason why the physics don't misbehave in the particular way that
>>>> would make my head explode.  Has to do with something called the Markov
>>>> property.
>>> You should rush this insight to Professors Cramer and Utts and save
>>> them a lot of wasted  effort.
>> Now *that* would not be proper science.
> Well, to be other than sardonic for a moment: why not? The groundwork 
> for a lot of academic work is begun in the corridor, the cafeteria, 
> after the colloquium, or in emails. If you feel strongly that 
> considerations of conditional independence (or whatever; you were 
> cryptic) necessarily undermine *in advance* both Cramer's current 
> physics experiment and Utts's statistical analyses, I can't see why 
> you shouldn't mention to them the gaping hole in their apparatuses. 
> If not via personal communication, then perhaps in the form of a 
> brief letter to a scientific or mathematical journal?
> Damien Broderick 
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