[ExI] robert pirsig's bike in zen and mm

[Giu1i0 Pri5c0]

Come on Jef that was a JOKE!
G.

On Nov 13, 2007 4:41 PM, Jef Allbright <jef at jefallbright.net> wrote:
> On 11/13/07, Giu1i0 Pri5c0 <pgptag at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Not at all!
>
> You mean (as usual for us, right?) you don't see even a smidgen of my point?
>
>
> > If Pirsig had considered his vision of Quality too ethereal and
> > delicate to survive contact with the real world, he would never have
> > published the book. It would have been found hidden in a closet after
> > the author's death.
>
> There was never any implication that it was delicate at all, but it is
> described as a subtle layer of interpretation that many people, like
> John and Sylvia, didn't get (and didn't get that they didn't get it.)
> It was always clear and obvious to them what the truth was, but their
> model lacked a place holder for <fnord>Quality<fnord>.
>
>
> > To write it as Pirsig might had written it, Quality can be found only
> > on a mountaintop when you are alone, but also in a Starbucks while
> > webcasting to the world (he referred to finding Quality in a
> > mororcycle gear, but you see what I mean).
>
> Yes, Zen is not found in where you are or what you're doing, but in
> terms of one's perceived relationship to the whole.  And when you
> excitedly say "The new zen and the art of taking over the universe",
> it seems obvious to me that such a viewpoint explicitly excludes (or
> tramples) the **viewpoint** -- nothing to do with the activity -- of
> Zen.
>
> Eh?
>
>
> - Jef
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