[ExI] Pride and/or thinking superior

[Anna Taylor]

--- On Sat, 7/12/08, Anna Taylor <femmechakra at yahoo.ca> wrote:

> From: Anna Taylor <femmechakra at yahoo.ca>
> Subject: Re: [ExI] Pride and/or thinking superior
> To: "Emlyn" <emlynoregan at gmail.com>
> Received: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 3:59 AM
> --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Emlyn <emlynoregan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >Why? Ok, because that need for acknowledgement leads us
> to
> >base our estimates of self worth on perceived reactions
> of other
> >people. 
> 
> Yes.  You are nothing without other people.  That's
> what respect is all about.
> 
> >I think that's the primary reason that we allow
> ourselves
> >to be organized into hierarchies; because we are
> vulnerable to
> >the requirement for stroking from others (especially
> those we
> >perceive as higher in status than ourselves), and we
> seem to have a bug
> >that the less good feedback we get from others, the
> more we require
> >it. So the more we will do for less.
> 
> Hierarchy is about believing in others. What you believe in
> is a matter of choice.  
> 
> >I think there's probably an evolutionary psychology
> explanation for this >willingness to submit/follow, and
> probably helps explain the existence of
> >psychopaths/narcissists more fully than just calling
> them defectors or >hawks - they are there because, for
> stability, we need them at the top of >hierarchies.
> 
> I don't see why we would need psychopaths/narcissists
> at the top of hierarchies...we tried that a few times...it
> didn't work out well:)
> 
> >The things we evolved to do are often harmful to us
> poor phenotypes, no >matter how well they benefit the
> genome.
> 
> Phenotypes is a big word for people that don't
> understand it:)
> 
> > Define "worked"? Do you mean they have been
> stable and persistent?
> 
> No.. I mean they where needed at that time period.
> 
> > That's not the same thing, except for pernicious
> values
> > of "worked".
> 
> You mean?
> 
> > Sometimes, we just think we are equal. I think many
> people
> > would disagree with you strongly that group must
> necessarily
> > equal hierarchy!
> 
> Possibly but group effort is a lot more effective than
> singular behaviour.
> 
> > No that is respect. Pride is internal, an emotion.
> 
> So is respect.
>  
> > Self accomplishments are their own thing. You could be
> > proud of your accomplishments. You could feel proud of
> your new car. You
> > could feel proud of belonging to a group.
> 
> Yes you can feel pride at any moment.  Why do you feel
> pride is the question.  If you are proud of your new
> car..who is behind it?  Did you work hard to get that car?
> Who taught you to work hard?
> 
> 
> Anna:)
> 
> 
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