[ExI] Ideological Differences in Transhumanist Italy

[giancarlos]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stefano Vaj" <stefano.vaj at gmail.com>
To: "Lee Corbin" <lcorbin at rawbw.com>; "ExI chat list" 
<extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [ExI] Ideological Differences in Transhumanist Italy


> while the usual couple of
> Italian supporters of Mr. Bush's crusades

Are you talking about me?
Please can you let us know when and where I supported Mr. Bush?

Wait.. oh yes! Maybe I understand: just as you usually say I'm a "Christian" 
*because* (!) I'm an advocate of human rights, democracy and equality (that 
you consider the products  of the "judeo-christian principle" which 
corrupted and perverted the old
(indo)european "sovrumanist principle"), you're now saying that I'm a Bush 
supporter perhaps *because* (!) some times ago I found quite worrying - and 
publicly said it in the italian mailing list - that one of your sovrumanist 
apprentice elaborated and wrote the following anti-american ravings (my 
translation):

<<If the struggle against "mondialism" and, therefore, against the USA is 
necessarily on a worldwide scale, we need to identify some effective methods 
of fight (.). If the battle looks global, then as much extended should be 
the alliance of free peoples against the satanic dominion of 
capitalism-mondialism. (.) Europe shall become a reality when a common 
consciousness and an undivided revenge will, will arise. We think that this 
could arise through the establishment of an European army (.) close-knit in 
the liberation war from the American invader. The so much condemned Waffen 
SS are now again and more than ever relevant, a model for the future, an 
European army of political soldiers. And so, following Giorgio Locchi's 
lesson and second sight, to build the Europe of the children. (.) Some 
recent events in Asia seems favorable to possible euroasiatic political 
developments: neighbourly relations between Moscow and Beijing, 
islamic-revolutionary fringe victory in the Iranian elections, certainly 
interested to join the fight against the "Overseas Satan".>> 
(http://www.italiasociale.org/Geopolitica_articoli/avanguardia.htm)

Interestingly, he's the same friend of yours who wrote an enthusiastic 
review of your last book Biopolitica on the same "Italia Sociale, the the 
national socialist bimonthly" 
(http://www.italiasociale.org/libri/libri110706-3.html), the same you asked 
to join the italian mailing list (while ostracizing and marginalizing other 
long time italian transhumanists who opposed the "sovrumanist drift" of 
italian transhumanism), the same whose articles you often indicate and 
recommend in the italian mailing list...

Anyway, although I don't like President Bush particularly, I admit that I 
prefer by far him if compared with Ahmadinejad, although I know that you are 
a great fan and supporter of the Iranian President (I remember that you 
verbatim said that Ahmadinejhad is "a figure decidely charismatic: I'm not 
able to criticize even one of his moves").

Finally -- as I intend to translate that above-mentioned infamous review of 
your book, published on the above-mentioned national socialist website and 
written by the above-mentioned sovrumanist and waffen SS admirer, but on the 
other hand I would prefer not to waste my time if unnecessary -- please can 
you let us know once and for all if you endorse or instead reject the 
content of that review?

Giancarlo
http://www.linkedin.com/in/stile