[ExI] Network segmentation was Re: America: Home of All Evil

Lee Corbin lcorbin at rawbw.com
Thu Mar 27 03:35:39 UTC 2008


Rafal wrote
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 2:38 PM
Subject: Network segmentation was Re: [ExI] America: Home of All Evil

> In our evolutionary history there were millions of little 
> tribal networks and subnetworks that formed, and 
> mutated. The legalized right to kill (within a network) 
> and the ability to kill (between small networks) had 
> a profound impact on the survival of constituent nodes 
> of these networks (i.e. humans) and provided strong 
> selective pressure acting through the selection of 
> individual preferences that could produce more stable 
> networks.

In plainer English, could some of this be exemplified by
the demonstrated survivability of *nations* and *tribes*?
That's what I would think, anyway.

The "strong selective pressure" you speak of is a little
ambiguous. You may be speaking of selection at the
individual human biological (i.e. gene) level, which is
presumed by some of us, especially lately, to directly
contribute to key characteristics of national and 
ethnic groups.

Or you may be speaking strictly of a sort of "group
selection" which---when memes are also considered
---is a very valid way of describing why some nations
prospered (e.g. Rome, the UK, Carthage, Louis XIV
France, etc.) in direct competition with their neighbors,
and passed on intact the social principles and memes
responsible for that survival.

Or both.

> It is more difficult to kill people if the right 
> to kill is [legally] limited, or if the physical
> ability to kill is limited by a balance of forces.
> Tribes insisting on the limitation of power of
> leaders and neighbors were more likely to have
> a stable existence,

At least in the last two hundred years or so. Before
that, absolute power in the hands of a very few
evidently was a most competitive and successful
approach.

> improving the fitness of people who dislike being dominated. 

Yes.

> The need for network segmentation is even more 
> important now than in our evolutionary past, 
> unfortunately the innate segmentation instinct 
> (that contributes to the negative opinions of 
> the US) is not strong enough.

As an example, an increase in nationalistic feelings
among the citizens of various *nations* could
enhance the desirable kind of segmentation you're
talking about?

> It does not suffice to maintain segmentation
> which is why I am writing the email on PC
> running some sort of Windows OS, and lots
> of losers fall for nationalistic or worse,
> United-Nations type feelings.

You've lost me :-)    How, specifically, would
the concept of network segmentation be applied
to different OS's or PC emailers?

> If we survive the singularity and get uploaded,
> network security and therefore the  need for
> network segmentation, will mean much more
> than protection from spam.

Definitely.

Lee




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