[ExI] "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."

giovanni santost santostasigio at yahoo.com
Sat Nov 1 05:22:44 UTC 2008

Well said.
The lie that God exists (and he care for us and he has plan for us after we die) is actually fraud, billions and billions of people are defrauded every second of their rights to continue to exist, to live for ever, a right that should be a birth right of mankind, even more important than freedom itself. People embrace death (even otherwise clever people) because they are sold this "last Santa Claus" lie (that they will continue to exist in Heaven or reincarnate and have another chance) and so countless many buy it (because of ignorance, desperation, hope ?)
But this lie it is the biggest fraud ever, not just a moral infraction but a criminal one. What about starting a planetary class action lawsuit against every religious organization for this ultimate crime against humanity?
Any recovered funds (in the unlikely case we would win) should be used to advance the transhumanist cause. But even in the case we lost it would be a very strong public statement and symbolic action.

--- On Fri, 10/31/08, samantha <sjatkins at mac.com> wrote:

From: samantha <sjatkins at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [ExI] "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."
To: "ExI chat list" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 12:35 PM

Emlyn wrote:
> I've had some faithful types that I know see this, and comment on
> "probably", like it's a big flaw, and say "isn't
that just
> agnosticism"? I think probably here means the same as it would in
> "Santa Claus probably doesn't exist"; the probability is
really really
> close to 1.
> But I do agree with them to some extent. I'm happy to say "God
> not exist", when I mean it as a placeholder for "it is
> unlikely that God exists". When talking about real world things,
> is always an implicit "probably", because the universe is messy
> reserves the right to surprise us. For instance, I would say "The sun
> will rise tomorrow", when strictly you could only say "The sun
> very probably rise tomorrow".
> No one would have been worried about "There is no Santa Claus. Now
> stop worrying and enjoy your life.", except that the kiddies might
> discover the ruse (which we cover up, Santa being a kind of
> training-god). It's too bad they couldn't have gone with
"There is no
> God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."
That there is no God both is and is not a reason to not worry depending on
one's model of what such a being might me and its implications for us.  That
there is no God and thus no afterlife etc. can be quite worrisome as it is the
end of the cosmic "re-do" or "another chance".    I think
that the day when there being no God really sinks in is the day life-extension
and other human+ technology gains major support.   Those who believe that this
human life is not all there is can't be bothered to care too much about
extending it or even to fully consider death as much of a tragedy.   This has
implications across the moral/ethical spectrum. 
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