[ExI] QT and SR
Lee Corbin
lcorbin at rawbw.com
Fri Sep 19 06:55:14 UTC 2008
Serafino asks a lot of good questions. Fortunately I am not
in a state of mind to waver on anything, or to resist answering.
Or unfortunately. Wha'ever.
> Subtle questions. And the possible answers depend
> on the specific points of view, or interpretations.
> What are these states?
Actually existing configurations of matter and energy!
> Are they physical?
Yes.
> Are they mathematical?
Our descriptions of them are mathematical.
> Are they statistical?
No.
> Do they represent information carried by a quantum system?
Yes.
> Do they represent observer's information?
Not only that.
> Rather, do they represent the 'image' of the information carried by
> a quantum system?
Yes, that too.
> Do they represent experimental contexts?
Yes.
> Do they represent statistical ensembles?
No.
> Or do they represent single systems?
Yes.
> Are they subjective?
Certainly not!
> Are they objective?
Yes!
> Are they tendencies, propensities, potentialities?
No!
> Are they actualities?
Yes! Yes!
> Should we give up the possibility of treating the wave function as
> an isomorphic image of what is actually processed in the laboratory?
Never! Never give up!
> In QM the outcome of a measurement - repeated many
> times - of an observable, isn't in general the same.
> So QM gives the expectation value of the observable
> to be measured. (In special cases it gives the actual
> outcome of the measurement, non just the expectation
> value).
Right.
> While it is possible to say that QM does not care of
> unperformed measurements, what can we say about the
> value of an observable between two measurements?
> Is it undefined? Is it unknowable?
It is a superposition before the measurements, it is a
superposition between the measurements, and it will
be a superposition after the measurements. Superposition
now, superposition tomorrow, and superposition forever!
(If I cain't get segregation, I'll jist settle for superposition, me.)
Aren't you lucky I am in such a decisive state of mind
tonight? DON'T ANSWER!
Lee
> In QM the total information of a system, represented
> by the state vector, is never complete. Information
> is limited. The total information of a system suffices
> to specify the eigenstate of one observable only,
> at choice. Thus, all possible future measurement results
> cannot be precisely defined.
>
> The state vector can be said to represent our knowledge
> about the recent history of a system which is necessary
> to arrive at the set of probabilistic predictions
> for all possible future observations of the system.
> The set of future probabilistic predictions specified
> by the recent history of the system is indifferent
> to the knowledge collected from all the previous measurements
> in the whole history of the system. As Pauli once wrote:
> "In the case of indefiniteness of a property of a system
> for a certain experimental arrangement (for a certain
> state of the system) any attempt to measure that property
> destroys (at least partially) the influence of earlier
> knowledge of the system on (possibly statistical) statements
> about later possible measurement results."
>
> Can we say that the observable has a *definite* value between
> two measurements? No, in general we cannot say that.
> If the state is a pure state (and not a mixture) we cannot
> say there is any definite value [1].
>
> Can we say the value of the observable is *unknowable* between
> two measurements? No, we cannot say that, because QM in general
> provides a sort of information, a sort of knowledge, whose nature
> is probabilistic though.
>
> [1]
> Imagine a spin-1/2 particle. Imagine its state described by
> the superposition psi = sqrt(1/2)[(s+)_z +(s-)_z].
> There are two possibilities.
> A) That psi above is a pure state. Since we know that
> (s+)_z = sqrt(1/2)[(s+)_x +(s-)_x]
> (s-)_z = sqrt(1/2)[(s+)_x -(s-)_x]
> (where _z, _x, are the z-component and the x-component of spin)
> we can write that psi = sqrt(1/2)[(s+)_z +(s-)_z] = (s+)_x.
> Now, if the x-component of spin is measured by passing
> the spin-1/2 particle through a Stern-Gerlach with its field
> oriented along the x-axis, the particle will *always* emerge 'up'
> (that is, as (s+)_x). The experiment confirms that.
> B) But if by sqrt(1/2)[(s+)_z +(s-)_z] we mean
> a *mixture* of sqrt(1/2)[(s+)_z] and sqrt(1/2)[(s-)_z],
> we might also think that -before measurement- the particle
> has a *definite* value of the z-projection of spin,
> say [(s+)_z] or [(s-)_z]. But in this case, measuring the
> x-component of the spin, we would find 'up' with the
> probability 0,5 and 'down' with the same probability.
> Experiments does not confirm that!
>
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