[ExI] What the France!?
painlord2k at libero.it
painlord2k at libero.it
Wed Apr 8 23:28:42 UTC 2009
Il 08/04/2009 0.46, Tom Nowell ha scritto:
> So, enough of the negativity - what more optimistic way can I think
> of? Well, it's the one we're trying in Britain. Try and get more
> moderate Muslims into politics and give ordinary Muslims a stake in
What is a "moderate Muslim"?
Mr. President Erdoğan did speak the truth when saying “The Term
‘Moderate Islam’ Is Ugly And Offensive; There Is No Moderate Islam;
Islam Is Islam.”
In 2004 61% of Muslims in Britain said they wanted Sharia law.
Following the 7/7/2005 London bombs this figure fell to 40%.
Is this 40% "moderate"? Or have you half million of "extremists" Muslims
in UK. Is this healthy?
> how things are. By getting moderate Muslims into government, you give
> voice to all the ordinary people who just want to live their lives
> and avoid what the extremists say. You will build a solid base for
> Muslims willing to live in a secular society.
Unfortunately it is a policy that work for a colonial power, in the
colonies, but don't work in the homeland.
Mainly, you did so without understanding what Islam is and how Muslims
You gave a stage and power to self proclaimed "representatives" of
Muslims, where the Muslims don't recognize representatives and don't
feel compelled to follow what their deliberate.
> Also, when people have something to lose from the extremists, they
> are less likely to give them the time of day. If a Muslim immigrant
> sees his daughters get educated and gain careers,
> when the next group
> of Islamists come to suggest jihad in the west and the setting up of
> a Taleban-style state, he's more likely to think "but they'll take
> away my own daughter's jobs, and cause my family hardship."
This Muslim, like many other Muslims, will help the "extremists" because
the government is unable to protect him from them. So, between a nice
dog and a feral dog, he will choose to appease the feral one.
Why not? The government let the feral one to become the "spokesperson"
of the community.
If it is so good, why did this lady need to go in hide from her father
and his friends? Are they fit for expulsion or not?
And, please, what about this other lady?
>> The young woman, aged 32, whose father is a Muslim imam in the
>> north of England, has moved house 45 times to escape detection by
>> her family since she became a Christian 15 years ago.
>> Hannah, who uses a pseudonym to hide her identity, told The Times
>> how she became a Christian after she ran away from home at 16 to
>> escape an arranged marriage.
>> The threats against her became more serious a month ago, prompting
>> police to offer her protection in case of an attempt on her life.
And this man and other 200.000 people
>> Muslim apostates cast out and at risk from faith and family While
>> Christians who turn to Islam are feted, the 200,000 Muslims who
>> turn away are faced with abuse, violence and even murder
>> Mr Hussein, a 39-year-old hospital nurse in Bradford, is one of a
>> growing number of former Muslims in Britain who face not just being
>> shunned by family and community, but attacked, kidnapped, and in
>> some cases killed. There is even a secret underground network to
>> support and protect those who leave Islam. One estimate suggests
>> that as many as 15 per cent of Muslims in Western societies have
>> lost their faith, which would mean that in Britain there are about
>> 200,000 apostates.
Mr. Novell you have an underground network in UK that help ex-muslims
because the government is unable and unwilling to act and protect them.
The "taliban" are able to terrorize large parts of the population in
England, not only in Afghanistan. This is because the BNP is gaining so
much votes and the Labour is losing so much. They are forced to choose
the only party that hear their cry and their pain.
> So, for the French I would recommend a healthy dose of Segolene Royal
The French, with all of their problems, will go under after the Great
Britain, because they have much more self respect for themselves and
their country than you (OK, they have a hypertrophic ego).
> trying to get Muslim candidates for her Socialist party, and when
> Nicholas Sarkozy sees a potential voting bloc favouring the
> opposition he will suddenly start taking the plight of Muslim
> immigrants more seriously.
They already vote in majority for the Socialists.
Like they vote in majority for the Labour in UK.
Maybe it is the reason the Labour continue to let enter in the UK
unemployable, illiterate, intolerant Muslims and give out citizenship
after five years.
Mr. Sarkozy proposed himself as a law & order man. After the election he
did nothing for what I know. His electorate is very discontent of him.
Maybe next time they will vote for someone else.
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