[ExI] What the France!?
eschatoon at gmail.com
Thu Apr 9 15:32:45 UTC 2009
Fred - of course I agree that the "second soul" of which I speak has
never been, is not now and will never be libertarian. Not to mention
their unholy alliance with religious fundamentalists in the Bush era.
But many of them call themselves libertarians, and real libertarians
are not always ready to denounce them.
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Fred C. Moulton <moulton at moulton.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 10:04 +0200, Eschatoon Magic wrote:
>> That is one of the reasons why I never called myself a libertarian,
>> though I am one deep inside.
>> There are two souls in modern libertarianism. One is a healthy
>> live-and-let-live soul, which believes in self-ownership and personal
>> freedom of everyone, and hates _all_ limits to liberty. It is not
>> "liberty, but..."., it is "liberty, period". The other is a fascist
>> soul which believes in the freedom of some to oppress and murder
>> others. I promise that I will call myself a libertarian when the
>> second soul will go.
> While I think I understand your concern I do disagree with your
> description. This "second soul" of which you speak has ever been, is
> not now and will never be libertarian. So the problem is not with
> libertarians it is with the impostors who use the term.
> What we have seen is an example of what I spend some effort to work
> against terms like "libertarian", "free-market", "Extropian" or
> "trans-humanist" being wrongly defined as including ideas which are not
> part of them and which are exactly the opposite of them. Thus I think
> it is worth some effort to make sure that the term "Extropian" is not
> associated with racism.
>> 2009/4/9 Dagon Gmail <dagonweb at gmail.com>:
>> > Even the best of libertarians intents are easily corrupted by Xenophobia and
>> > Racism.
>> > 2009/4/9 Eschatoon Magic <eschatoon at gmail.com>
>> >> I thought you were a libertarian, what is this stalinist crap about
>> >> burkas?
>> >> Aren't libertarian supposed to like individual freedom? What business
>> >> of yours is if someone likes to wear a burka? Why don't you mind your
>> >> own business?
>> >> Ah yes, I see -- you call yourself a libertarian in the sense that you
>> >> care about _your_ freedom to _remove_ the freedom of others. I prefer
>> >> to refer to this attitude by another name.
>> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:40 PM, painlord2k at libero.it
>> >> <painlord2k at libero.it> wrote:
>> >> > 1) Complete ban on burkas, niqab and other ways to conceal your face.
>> >> > Five
>> >> > years of jail for anyone doing it.
>> >> --
>> >> Eschatoon Magic
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>> >> aka Giulio Prisco
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