[ExI] The enemy?/was Re: What the France!?
painlord2k at libero.it
painlord2k at libero.it
Sat Apr 11 14:09:59 UTC 2009
Il 09/04/2009 16.37, Dan ha scritto:
> I think that a true libertarian would be afraid of the enemy known as
> the state.
I am, but there are many enemies and anyone have different priorities.
> I find it funny that someone who calls himself or herself
> a libertarian is afraid of some women in burkas, but quite willing to
> allow the state all sorts of privileges with regard to these same
I'm not in fear of the women in burkas.
I'm in fear of their men. I fear the fact that they are able to force
them in burkas, in arranged weddings, beating them in submission.
I'm in fear that we allow them to preach hate and teach hate, organize
and grow stronger inside our societies.
There are many enemies of freedom, someone play by some rules and
someone play with different rules; someone play with no rules.
It is not only the state that is a danger to freedom, but also cults
that use violence to spread or to keep people captives of the group and
criminals that use violence to prey upon others.
So, we need to choose our priorities.
> For the record, one can be a staunch racist and still be a
> libertarian -- just as long as one still adheres to the libertarian
The problem is that we all limit the "libertarian principle" in scope in
some way. Usually this is on the line of "it is worth of human or
human-like respect". I think libertarians have no problem to eat meat
from slaughtered cows (vegetarians apart). So we don't apply the "not
egress first" to the cows. Many tribes consider deserving human respect
only the people of their tribe, not the others. So, they could be
libertarians in principle in their internal relations, but not in their
What would do a libertarian or a group of libertarians when they live
near a tribe that don't consider them to deserve "human-like respect",
the same respect they give to the member of their tribe?
Say the tribe have a few youngster that like to form a party and go out
to pillage, rape and kill. What they do when some individual of the
"libertarian group" are raped, killed, robbed, maimed, etc.?
What they would do if the chief of the tribe (or the elders) are
unwilling or unable to punish or inhibit the few youngsters?
Say this will continue, but it is not a real problem, initially, for the
majority of the libertarians, because the victims are mainly on the
borders areas and not where the main libertarian population live. But
the tribe have an higher fecundity, so their population grow and the war
parties grow stronger every years. Then, some libertarians in the border
zone pack and leave the place, that is colonized by the tribe. Then
always more libertarians leave the borders and these are settled by the
tribes. Then sometimes, rarely, some war parties enter in the deep of
the libertarians territory. What do you do?
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