[ExI] Making Rationalizations is Superior to the Alternative
lcorbin at rawbw.com
Wed Apr 15 00:20:18 UTC 2009
Er, first I must apologize to Bill for misreading his
comments when I suggested that he pay more attention
to my word "if" that set off some of my claims, e.g.,
"if I were a Frenchman". When he replied "but you are
not a Frenchman...", I should have merely replied
"so what?". Sorry.
>> On 4/14/09, Lee Corbin wrote:
>> I admitted the tradeoffs: violate a principle now in
>> exchange for reducing the risk of losing that principle
>> and far, far more in the future.
> I think we need some *real* libertarians to chime in here, as you
> don't seem to talking proper 'libertarianese'. ;)
Hmm. Guess so. At best I think of myself as "half-libertarian",
they so often being oblivious to the dependence of their
doctrines on a certain level of cultural development, and
their being oblivious (in so many cases) to existential
entire threats to the hard-won traditions that made their
doctrines at all feasible.
> Do Libertarian principles really allow initiation of force now, based
> on a speculation that damage might occur many many years in the
> future? Surely not. Much else might happen between now and that future
I would agree that "No, those principles do not", and am
(literally) advocating unprincipled conduct. :-)
E.g., it goes against principle (as well as law) to break
into your neighbor's house and take things, but if his
house is on fire, that's different.
>> You suppose that I want to *scrap* rather than *improve*
>> our western societies? Odd.
> Libertarians want to *improve* government by removing as much of it as
> possible. I call that scrapping the present systems of government.
Oh, okay. Honest word usage difference.
>> Anyway, you are right to
>> emphasize that Muslims *might* wreck our very slowly
>> evolved and much prized western traditions. They might
>> also not. They might assimilate, after all. There may
>> be a singularity or other big tech breakthrough first.
>> It's all about weighing risks, just as in everything
> If you (as a libertarian) want to initiate force and expel Muslims
> because there is an 'guesstimated' possibility that they might change
> the system of government many years in the future, then in my opinion
> exactly the same logic should be applied to libertarians.
Well, I won't dismiss it or rule it out completely.
If Libertarians are posing enough of a threat (e.g.
spreading anti-conscription propaganda when the
country is being invaded by a Hitler), then they
have to go.
Thanks for the non-insulting most honorable argumentation, sahib.
> Of course this shouldn't be done, because what you are suggesting is
> not libertarian.
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